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The Essence of the 10th and 11th step and the 12th step, the Essence for me is about being on time.

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Before I work within three blocks is a place called Dario's.

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It's a place that's designed to take care of people who have severe garlic deficiencies.

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It's a little Italian restaurant.

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And we usually walk up there and have lunch

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because it's good. Mama still cooks.

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When she doesn't, she beats the cook until it gets it right.

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There are days when, because of the foot problem I've been left with,

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And I had one of the guys that was sponsoring come by and we were going up to Dario's

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and it's so good there's never any place to park within three blocks.

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But I really needed to drive that day.

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So we drove up and as we pulled up to Dario's, the car right in front pulled out and left

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Now I've come to expect that.

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He said, isn't that nice? God got us a parking spot.

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Had we been 30 seconds earlier that Carl wouldn't have come out yet and we'd have missed it.

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If we'd have been 36 later, the guy in front of me would have gotten it.

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10th and 11th step, keep me on time.

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There's only one time anything can ever happen.

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If it has already happened, it didn't gonna happen.

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If it's gonna happen, it hadn't happened yet.

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It's the future. It can only happen now.

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The only time I can be conscious of the presence of God is now.

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And the continuing inventory and the checking of myself on the prayer and the meditation

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keep me fully aware that now is the time.

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Tricky stuff, but very, very simple.

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The only time I can help you is now.

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The only time you can help me is now.

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If I have already helped you, it can't happen.

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If I'm gonna help you, it hasn't happened.

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I'm about to offer myself to thee to thee.

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Everything is now. Everything's immediate in the spiritual world.

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You want to tell somebody you love them?

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You want to tell somebody you're pissed at them?

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The things that block me are aspects of self.

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Self-pity, self-loathing, self-interest.

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As a result of some chronic health problems and chronic pain,

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I've learned some truly wonderful, wonderful things.

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There's pain and there's suffering.

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And I used to think they went together.

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If I'm in pain, I'm kinda sure.

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Somewhere along the way, that has changed.

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There's pain and there's suffering and they do not have to go together.

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Most suffering is caused by self-awareness.

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When I got to hepatitis and they put me on the inner fear on,

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The inner fear on cut me off from my feelings, from my emotions.

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For about six months I couldn't feel anything.

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The only sensation I had was pain, which was no big deal.

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I came off of the inner fear on and all of a sudden I felt everything

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And it was a baffling thing to me because it all felt like the same thing.

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What happens in the middle of pain is that I become aware of

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And when I'm interested in self, I'm in pain.

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It's only when I'm interested in you that there's no pain.

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That's an experience I've had.

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If a problem is very difficult, the book says,

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we throw ourselves harder into working with others because it takes us out of ourselves.

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This way of life says that when I'm in real trouble,

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I'm not to go somewhere and get help.

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I'm to go somewhere and give help.

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That's how I walk on this path.

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The way I overcome my problem is to help you overcome your problem.

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That's the easiest thing the best way.

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I get to feel I'm sorry for myself.

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The best thing the world for me is to go find somebody that doesn't have it's pretty good and help them get it better.

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I'm to practice these principles in all of my affairs.

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To all steps says I'm to carry the message, that's easy.

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Now I got to practice the principles in all of my affairs.

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That means first of all I'm going to have some affairs.

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I mean to be real careful not to have more affairs than I have principles.

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I stole that because it sounds good.

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Now what are some of the affairs that I have?

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Children, a wife, grandchildren.

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At one point a dog with a dog and I had some difficulty so I won.

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When I went to North Carolina I bought a little

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brown lab, male brown lab because there is absolutely nothing more vicious looking than a big lab laying at the top of the stairs looking down at you.

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It's a man eater. It wouldn't hurt a fly.

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I came home two years later and this dog thought it was his house and these were his women.

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I started to put him out one day and he just wasn't going to go.

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We found him another place to live.

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We didn't have time for him anyway and that's the truth.

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I'm to practice these principles at home.

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If I can't treat my children the same way I treat the people I sponsor I'm living a lie.

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If I'm not willing to listen to them with the same closeness and care for attention I'm living a lie.

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If I'm not going to give them the same time that I give a a I'm living a lie.

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And it isn't the quantity of time.

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It's the quality of the time.

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When I'm here with you I am all the way here with you.

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And when I'm home I am all the way home.

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That's the only way I don't know how to do it.

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I practice the principles immediately.

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Then do what you're going to do there.

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When I'm at work I am all the way at work.

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And I'm beginning to realize what that means because I'm only working 20 hours a week now.

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I can do my whole job in 20 hours a week.

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Most people in 40 hours are only doing 20 hours for the work anyway.

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So I just need to get my compress and go home.

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And I've learned about crisis.

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It doesn't have to be mine just because it's crisis.

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And quite often if it's a crisis today it'll still be a crisis tomorrow.

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I don't have to do anything immediate about it.

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I'm to practice the principles.

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If I'm agitated or doubtful I'm to pause and wait for an answer.

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What is my contribution to be?

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Sometimes it's let the chaos go.

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I found out along the way that without chaos I don't have any idea what needs to be put in order.

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I don't like to stir it anymore.

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But out of the chaos I can see what needs to be put in order.

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And I learn what's mine and what isn't mine.

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You know most of the problems that I run into are none of my business.

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I learn that through the practice of the principles and all of my affairs.

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One of the affairs I have is how I relate to my neighbor.

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I live in a neighborhood with neighbors.

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I have private hedges around my house.

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My grandpa taught me good fences make good neighbors.

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And there's nothing better for a hedge than a hedge to make a good fence.

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Nothing gets through except snakes.

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But I live in a neighborhood with civilized people.

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And it occurred to me one day while I'm putting the hedge in on my side of the property.

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One whole side of that hedge is facing his side of the property.

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He'll look at his window and see my hedge.

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Maybe I ought to consult with him and ask him how high he would like it and how he'd like that trim.

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And in that talk he says, oh I think the hedge would be fine.

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But leave a spot about this wide between the hedge and the edge of the house so there's a way between your house and mine.

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Because when you're gone I watch your house.

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And when I'm gone I'd like you to watch my house.

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That gives us access. Hell I've never thought about that.

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That's one of my affairs. How do I communicate with my neighbor?

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I don't have a lot of common interests but we have one interest in real common.

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We like our neighborhood clean and clear and safe.

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His kid will marijuana in my black yard one time.

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I mean the kid probably figured I'm too old to know what that is.

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I did not tell his dad why would I want to do that.

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I pulled it up because it was on my ground.

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And he noticed it was gone. We had a black lab at the time.

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He asked me, Mr. Priest, do you suppose if I jumped the fence that dog would hurt me?

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I just kind of let it go at that.

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We had a meeting in my backyard one time.

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We'd do that once a year. People came over and we had a big potluck and a big man.

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The next day he took me aside and he said that you seem to know something about alcoholism.

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So me and my friends some of us have a problem. You suppose we could talk to you?

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I don't put my trash on the street Monday because they don't pick it up till Tuesday.

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I take it down Tuesday morning. That's one of the affairs that happens in the neighborhood.

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I don't want my trash all over the street all night because there's cats running loose in the neighborhood.

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I learned from my neighborhood one time we have a funny phenomenon in Colorado in the winter or in the early spring.

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We'll get a heavy wet snow and then the sun comes out the next day and it starts to melt and that night it freezes

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and what you got is water that deep that freezes into ice and it makes dams of ice and the gutters fill up.

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I was in the house getting ready to go to work grousing because the city hadn't come by to clean those gutters out yet.

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I hear this noise out front. Chunk. Chunk. Chunk.

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When I looked out and here was my neighbor with a big ice thing chopping the ice out of the gutters.

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It's just a big flat. So I got my little shovel out and went out and joined him.

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Started cleaning the gutters and we visited during the morning.

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Had a good time. I learned all kinds of things about him and his life.

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He learned something about mine and we got our gutters cleaned.

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It's not the city's job. It's mine.

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I am so proud of my kids particularly my two step daughters.

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They're ready my daughters. They watch how we live in our house.

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If I sponsor you I expect you to come to my house early in the morning because I want you to see how I recovered alcohol and his family live.

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How do you carry this out when you got two teenage kids getting ready for school, a wife getting ready for work, and me getting ready for work?

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So we sit in the living room and you watch the show go on while we do our step work.

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One day we got a great lesson. My daughter come down the stairs. She's about 13 at the time.

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She says, excuse me. This is my mouth. I raised an advocate.

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And it shocked me. He don't interrupt us when we're busy doing God's work.

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You've never introduced me to this person.

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So I introduced him and she's nice to me. She's gone.

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My daughter's real father is a Denver detective by squad.

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He's got some really interesting ideas and viewpoints on life.

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I sponsor a number of gay people because I sponsor alcoholics and I don't care whether you're male, female, or mixed.

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And one of my gay guys was here working with me and that same daughter came down the stairs.

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And I knew she'd been with her dad for a weekend.

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She's making really ugly noises about gay people. I can hear him.

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And Sam's watching me to see what I'm going to do here.

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We're talking about living by principles and not fighting anyone or anything.

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And I said, Kelly, something you need to know.

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I said, some of the people that you love the very most are gay.

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Because she really adore Sam.

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I said, I'm not going to tell you, you figure it out.

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Well, then weeks she'd come back to me and she said, it's just not worth the effort.

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That's practicing the principles as I understand them.

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I'm not to try to warp her mind or to protect Sam.

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But I'm going to certainly say, get this straight.

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She still doesn't know about Sam. She still loves him.

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Sam's done so much good for alcoholics. It's just amazing.

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Denver AA produces missionaries. I don't know if you knew that.

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You come to Denver and go through the steps and the first thing you know, you're somewhere else

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starting your own little group in the midst of AA people who don't want to hear about it.

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Old-fashioned 12-step work was fun and very dangerous.

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We had guns pulled on me. I made a mistake going on a call one night by myself.

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Got to the door and he opened the door and he's got a gun in his hand.

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He's changed his mind. He doesn't want to quit.

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That's fine with me. Good night.

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Three of us one time, my sponsor and another fell and I, during our evangelistic period,

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we were at the state convention and the call came in there.

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And we took the call. Guy in a motel. We went out.

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We were on our suits looking good. We gave him an hour and a half of the best 12 stuff

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that you've ever heard. I just stayed sober already. It was incredible.

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And when he looked up us and said, man, it's clear to me you guys really have your shit together.

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So out of four alcoholics on a 12-step call, three of the four states sober and went back to the convention.

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Because that's the way it works. My job is just to carry the message.

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And in doing that I get to stay sober.

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And if he does too, that's a bonus. If not, it doesn't really matter.

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We got a shot at him somewhere down the way. Maybe somebody else will get a shot at him.

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I really appreciate your allowing me to come out.

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I go through numerous kinds of internal hell with this.

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Because I know I'm doing the job and I'm doing it right.

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I also am concerned that I must bore you all to death after a while.

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I wouldn't sit and listen to me this long.

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But I appreciate you. I need desperately to tell people

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about what happened to me when God became fully alive in me.

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And in my regular life, going to work, raising kids, getting nipped by the dog, cutting ice with the neighbor,

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getting to go to Russia and talk to them about, hey, whatever that may be, is all part of that same package.

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It's just God's here. Let's go do it.

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He may be eating pancakes tomorrow and borscht the next day. It doesn't make any difference.

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I came here desperate because I needed to die and couldn't die.

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The state I'm in tonight because of you is that I'm truly willing to stick around for as long as need be.

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I have plans that I'd like to take carry out that are beyond my projected life.

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I'm not going to get down all the stuff I want to get down.

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And that's okay. I'm going to take a crack at it.

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You haven't written into my life.

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So I will go back home now until the folks about you.

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I really will. I don't know all about you.

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Those of you who've been in fellowship with the spirit know what I'm talking about.

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They're just waiting on you. I don't know who you are because it's all a common deal we had going on.

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My wife will really appreciate you.

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When I do one of these spiritual weekends, I go home horny.

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We're done and yet this thing is undone.

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It can never be done. We just need to keep getting together with each other.

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That's what the fellowship is about.

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Just kind of getting together and learning how to visit.

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Last time I was here, I got to stay with Alex. We had a great time.

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He taught me more than you can imagine about life.

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Keep standing in touch with him.

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I'd like to get to come back out for the wedding.

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What a great deal that's going to be. That's if I'm approved.

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So anyhow, it's time to go home.

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Thank you very much for having me come out.

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I hope to see you over the road.

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Remember, the fellowship of the spirit both in Colorado and up in Maine in March.

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It's a little four day deal. It starts on a Thursday.

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There's a speaker on Thursday.

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There's a speaker on Friday night. It'll be an on and on.

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There's two speakers on Saturday.

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There's one on Sunday. There's ten big book workshops.

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The rest of the time it's just getting together.

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It's a family deal. Bring the kids.

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They're setting it up so the folks on this coast

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can have what we've had for seven years and come around.

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Just a weekend together together and have a lot of fun.

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Everybody from different parts of the country bring whatever your favorite food is.

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It's a good time. You get flyers on it. That's all I got.