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Hi, my name is Don, I'm an alcoholic. By God's grace, and because of your loving, caring attention, it has

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not been necessary for me to have a drink of alcohol, or any other that weird stuff, since

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December 26th of 1967. And for that, I'm astonished. I've given this talk several times in English,

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and not I understand I'm supposed to give it in Texan. We'll try. My friend Bob says

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that I'm just elegant, but there's a price that's too high for me to pay. My mother and

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my wife, who is here, make me wear this saying to prove that I respect you. Do you all understand

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that I respect you? Someone take it off then. This wristwatch is easy. I sometimes don't

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know exactly the direction to go from here, because I'm dead serious about this program.

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I try not to be too serious about me, but from the first day that I met you, I realized we're

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dealing with life and death here. So one of my prayers before I talk is that I hope I don't

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get cute tonight. You found me in the Colorado State Penitentiary. It was my third penitentiary.

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I didn't like it any better than I did the first one. And I want you to please understand,

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I have to talk about prison because that's where I was, but also understand I was never

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a big-time gangster. The big-time gangsters don't go to the penitentiary, only the dummies.

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In fact, one of my big capers, one night I was a little drunk, and I was living in a chicken

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coop at the time that I had. That was cool where I came from, right? At about three o'clock in the

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morning I didn't have anything better to do. So I put on my black peacoat and my black watch cap

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and got on my bicycle and went off to rob a house. That made sense to me at that time,

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in fact that still makes sense. I went through that house for over two hours and left and forgot to

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take anything. Now you know what kind of a criminal I was. Everything that I know,

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I've experienced since I met you, and as a result of you carrying me from my first day

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into the book called Alcoholics Anonymous, I had marvelous sponsorship. I had the kind

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of sponsors who didn't ever say to me, Don, as soon as you're comfortable, we'll work these steps.

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They said to me, if you ever hope to get comfortable, we're going to start right now working these steps.

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I, one of my favorite words in our book is the word baffle, because that described my whole life,

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baffle. Since I've come to you, I've got an un-baffled. One of the things that

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baffled me was that I really never did want to end up in the places I ended up,

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and I really never did want to do the things that I kept doing,

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and I could never understand why I could never get around to doing the things that I really did want to do.

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Another thing that baffled me was why I went to my first penitentiary, and you explained that to me.

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You see, I went to prison the first time, because I couldn't find my way home. I got lost.

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That's right, there's a federal law against getting lost, if you're in the Navy.

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And I was. I loved the Navy. I really did. I loved the ship. I loved the work I did.

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I loved everything about it. And it used to baffle me, because they'd give me these little 24-hour

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liberties, and I'd be weeks getting back sometimes. And I couldn't understand that, and they couldn't

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understand that. And this last one, they gave me a 24-hour liberty, and I was 23 days getting home,

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and by the time I got there, they had moved home all the way to Korea, and you know, they really

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were mad at me. There's the sailor. So they put me in prison and gave me a bad conduct discharge

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and sent me home at 19-baffled. I'm wondering what the hell's this all about? You explained that to me.

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I know today why that happened. It happened because I'm allergic to alcohol,

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because if I put alcohol in my system, I'd develop a craving for more alcohol that will not stop

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until it decides to stop. And until the craving is gone, I no longer have any choices about what

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I want to do with my life. I have to drink, and it was that simple. It tied that loose end up.

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Once I start, I can't quit, and my early sponsors made sure that I understood that.

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And just as soon as I understood that, they said, you know, that's completely academic if you

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never take a drink. There's something else wrong with you too. I have a mind that can't remember

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sometimes that I get lost. I'll kid myself into thinking that I really do need this. It'll make

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me feel better. I thought one time I drank because I was nervous and found out I got nervous because

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I drank. There's a piece of the puzzle missing up here. My neighbor has it. He owns a bar, but

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I've never seen him drunk. But I don't have whatever it is that allows me to stop when it's time to

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stop. I lost the power of choice somewhere. And by God's grace, I've never gained it back.

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And I hope to God I never do because you give me a choice about alcohol, and I wouldn't be here.

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I'd be in Huntsville probably. I didn't take the easy ones either.

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Is there anybody here tonight that's in our first 30 days of sobriety?

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Oh, God bless you. I'll stand to be you. I mean life's good for me today. But getting good is where

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all the fun is. When I was in my first 30 days of sobriety, I was laying in the Denver County

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jail wondering what was next. I'm afraid I might get the answer. I'd like to share with you very

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briefly my last week before I died because I need to always remember it. And it's the beginnings of

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the journey that I want to share with you tonight. Christmas week of 1967 was that blessed week

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that we all get somewhere along the line that allowed me to see me for exactly who I was.

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And what I had become with no more excuses, no more cons, and no more blinders. And what I saw

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was kind of wretched. At the time we were living in a $40 a month basement apartment. I see we,

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I had two little boys that I'd been dragging around this country with me

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because I couldn't sit still near the end. And we were living in a $40 a month basement apartment

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and the lady above us that rented us their own had cats. She didn't have some, a few tabbies

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running around. This lady had a thing for cats. Hundreds of them. It seemed to me. And her place

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was cleaner than mine was. And that's the week that I saw that. I have never had heroin.

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Because of my keen alcoholic mind. When I was 14 years old, they showed us a movie about junkies.

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Those were heroin addicts. And that was such an ugly creature. I determined that I would never

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be a junkie. And if I never took heroin, that couldn't happen. Now I have unfortunately put

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everything else I could get into a needle in me. But never heroin. That's the week that I woke up

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somehow and turned to the guy next to me and started tearing and said,

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my God, we're in a junkie pad. And it was my house. And that's the week I saw that.

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I was beginning to reach the point where my dreams were dead. And my parents' dreams were dead.

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And my kids' dreams were dead. We had good dreams, how I didn't start to be a bum.

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That was the week that Christmas day I took the boys down to Grandma and Grandpa's.

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So they could see Grandma and Grandpa for Christmas. And on the way, if you've been on a road like I

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have, you know that there's money in the streets of America. That is true. Not much. But if you

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walk around, we head down all the time and then see you'll bump into some money. And we found

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a dollar in the snow that day. And then we got to Grandma and Grandpa's. And my dad met us at the

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door and he said, Don, I'm sorry. Your mother says I can't let you in anymore. She can't stand

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watching you die. Now, I remembered last year that that wasn't the first time that that had happened.

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But that was the first time I had seen what I'd done to my mother. And then dad, God bless

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him. He snuck us in anyway. And I got to see what I'd done to him. And I had to look at what I'd

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done to my kids. That's a hell of a thing to put the kids through on Christmas day. And on the way

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back home, we found a Christmas tree lot. Now, if you're planning to go off and do what I did in

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the strong Christmas, any Christmas tree lot in the country, about 430 Christmas afternoon will

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sell you any tree they got for dollar. And we bought one. And naturally, it didn't fit the room.

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I'm an alcoholic. I got to have the drama. The damn thing was too big. We bought the big one.

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And on the way home, we stopped at the public merchandise mark. And I used the last of my

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glibness to get the man to give us a little old pair of cowboy boots and shirts. And my kids

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would have a Christmas present. On credit, of course, I didn't have any money. And I can still

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remember. I really meant to pay for that as soon as the welfare check got there. And that's how

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we went in the Christmas night. And all of that gathered together and reduced me to a place where

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my very first inventory, honest inventory, brought me to a state of mind where I was no

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longer willing to live that way anymore. I could find nothing of value in me. So I took a massive

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overdose of amphetamines. It took a two month supply and shoved them up my arm and drank everything

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in the house I could find made down to die. And I think I made it. Although, when I woke up the

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next morning with the police at the door, I was in this terrible state. God, if you ever have to do

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that, I hope you make it. That's the most crushing thing in the world to lay down and die and have

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the cops come get you the next morning. After the initial shock, of course, I relaxed. For people

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like me, going to jail is a rest. Now, if any of you folks haven't finished drinking,

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and jail is in the future for you, so that you'll survive it, let me give you the rules of county

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jail. I lie to you for 10 minutes. You lie to me for 10 minutes. Then we both go take a nap.

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That's it. If you go on the county jail, that's all you need to know.

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Isn't that a hell of a way for grownups to live? And they took me away this time and they were

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really upset. During that week, I had realized that something was desperately wrong and I wanted

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help, but I didn't have even the honesty to go ask for help. I had set myself up to be arrested

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on a little video fraud in the seat charge of getting me six months in the county jail and

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fattened me up. That isn't why they were there. They didn't find that until the next day. They

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came loaded for bear this time. Three years to life is what we were talking about on the first

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charge. And the DA promised me that if I beat him on that one, he'd bring the other eight one at a

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time. He'd tie me up in that jail till I was an old man, he said, because I was through. And it

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was during this time that God entered my life and I didn't even know it. I have to share with you

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the power of God as I understand it. And it's all based on mercy. They ended up offering me a

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hell of a deal. Everybody thought I was a drug addict, including me. So the Denver district attorney

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and the federal government, because I was on federal parole at the time, they both had

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custody problems going on. It made a little deal. If I'd plead guilty to one particular charge,

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they'd send me down to Fort Worth to that federal drug hospital and cure me.

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Now I had reached the place in my life where I was willing to do anything and go anywhere that

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anybody suggested. Because you got to remember, I just killed myself and then woke up. And here

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I am trapped in a life and in a person that is incapable of functioning at all. I don't know how

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to live and I don't know how to die. And here I am stuck in it. I got to find something. I'd have done

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anything. But there's also a part of me and probably always will be that's in a hole. See,

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I had healed up for a couple months. The alcoholic ego heals in about 33 seconds, I think.

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If you put me in a place where there's doctors and books, I'm in heaven. I can read. I spent my

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whole life presenting symptoms. I love doctors, particularly head doctors. God bless them.

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I knew how they operated. I'd been getting dope from them for a long time.

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They would tell me what was wrong with me. They would tell me about how long it would take to get

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that much right. They would tell me all the different steps I would go through and I'd present them

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right on time to them. And in six months I'd have been out of there, cured of drug addiction.

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And today I'd be locked away somewhere mad or I'd be dead and I know that. But because in my own

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sick way I'd surrounded, I truly believe they've got it entered into my life. If you've ever made

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a deal with the feds in the state, you know that when they say you go from here to there, that's

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what happens. They've got a lot of power and we made the deal. And they gave me this little

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old sentence and suspended it and turned me over to the federal people to take me away.

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And five days later I'm in the Colorado State Penitentiary saying, wait a minute,

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this isn't the summer camp I signed up for. And I'm so grateful for that today.

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In his words, I'm God put me in the one place where I could hear what I had to hear to continue

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living. I believe if you're new here tonight at this convention this weekend, you're in exactly

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the right place, somebody here will say something. It'll get you through today and get you back here

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tomorrow for you to hear something that'll keep you coming back until you can finally hear what

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we're trying to say. And so there I am in the penitentiary not having the slightest idea that

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alcoholism is my problem. Laying in a cell one day and the guards are everybody downstairs,

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we ask them guys here you will listen to. They bring us down here's these three convicts,

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but they had told me I would listen to them and I did. And oh boy, what a day that was.

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This guy got up and he said my name's Doc. And I'm an alcoholic and that means that I'm

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powerless over alcohol. And all of the other circumstances of my life and my life has become

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unmanageable. And if any of you smart bastards think you can still manage your lives, look at the

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reward the state just gave you for the nifty job you've been doing. Doc did what you do so well.

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He put the mirror of truth up in front of me. I couldn't deck it. And now you just three have

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random random fields. And then they mentioned to us that next Saturday you get out of the fish tank.

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We would like you to come to Alcoholics Anonymous. We meet in the school they said.

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And Saturday came and I got to myself and I had taken enough care to put a little note in

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every one of our new cells reminding us that we'd come to school that day. Now to do that we had

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to give up the only important things that were going on in that place. Guard privileges and movie.

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And that may not sound like much to you but when that's all you got

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and that's what we gave up to go to school. You couldn't go to the Friday night of A meeting

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down there until you'd completed a five week 12 step study school. And it was important to go

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to that meeting because they let real people into that meeting from the outside. We weren't real.

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And so I began my journey. Oh God. I didn't even know who I was or what I was. And we got in there

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and these nice gentle speaking sponsors said to us for the next five weeks you have nothing to say.

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If you knew anything at all you wouldn't be here. It's a mirror of truth up again. All they loved us.

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They loved us. They gave up their movies too and their yard privileges and they gave up prison

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dignity. They gave up status in that prison to show up at that school every Saturday and Sunday

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and share with us their experience with this program. I needed to identify first of all

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what the hell's wrong with me. These don't start getting wealthy you know what's wrong.

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I'd admitted something was and I listened to Bruce that first day. You see the first day

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was the first step and the second day was the second step. Then all the new fish worked in the

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dishroom. We had all week to talk to each other about what had gone on that weekend. But Bruce

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described a day and I understand Bruce was in the penitentiary for the rest of his natural life

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because one day in downtown Denver in a shootout he killed some people. I hadn't done that.

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But he described that day. He woke up that morning knowing that nobody on this planet

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cared whether he lived or died. Well that hurts. And it upset him so much that he started to drink

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in order to kill the pain. Only that day I didn't kill the pain. It got him involved in the pain

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and the more he drank the angrier he got and then he went downtown and killed some people.

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I had waken in the morning and knew that no one cared whether I lived or died.

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And I did the same thing and did my own bizarre endings to that. I stood in the driveway of my

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dad's house one day with my two little children and knew nobody on this planet could usually

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we live or die. That hurts. So I identified with him. I had another sponsor,

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Dell remembers and we'll fill the terrace. If you were casting movies about Chinese pirates

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Phil would be the captain of the ship. He'd look mean. Phil was in the penitentiary because

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when Phil got drunk he liked to throw things out of windows. It was usually people.

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And it didn't matter to Phil whether it was the first floor or the third floor. And Phil you,

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if you knew Phil you'd know I've never met anyone that loves his family any more than Phil

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the terrace did. And he'd stand there and he'd tell us I don't work this for my wife and my

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kids. I worked this for me. Without this program I have nothing for them. I throw them out of windows

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too. And Phil taught me to touch physically touch in a penitentiary which is a very risky

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business. But they shared about what they had experienced about being powerless.

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And they helped me to understand that I am without power. That's my problem.

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I have always known that. That's one of the things that kept me scared all the time.

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I've known since I was little that if I ever succeeded at anything it was just pure dumb luck.

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I also knew that everybody around me would expect me to repeat that the next day and I didn't

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know how I'd done it the first time. I used to play a little football and I can remember a

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quarterback sneak that worked one time and it was nothing but air between me and the goal and it

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stunned me to the point where I had to stop and turn around to see what had happened. And I got

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me. And that's destroying my life. I had stopped to look and see if the train was coming and it was

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already there. And I began to think about this business of being powerless. In and of myself I

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am nothing. And I know that. I don't have what it takes to finish anything. I'm a sprinter not

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a long distance runner. And I know that. I have always known that. And there was a little piece

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of the puzzle. And then Bruce, God bless him. I talk a lot about Bruce because he he was my guide.

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He's three weeks over now and I'm sponsoring him because he didn't believe what he told me.

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But that doesn't matter. I did. That's all it counts. The Bruce and I talked one one day after

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the second step class about this business. I was really afraid because we're talking about sanity

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and insanity. And at that time I was classified by the state prison board as associate path type

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two and a psychopath. And one of the reasons I was in the penitentiary instead of the hospital

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is because of that classification. You can't treat either one of those.

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So they don't try. They don't bother. You have to have a conscience to treat one. Psychopath

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supposedly doesn't know the difference between right and erotic doesn't know the difference

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in your psychotic between right and wrong. I knew the difference between right and wrong. I just

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didn't give a damn. And you can't treat that. And I had visions of having to spend the rest

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of my life on a psychiatrist's cost trying to unravel the madness that I had just spent 34 years

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trying to do and fail. And you all said, no, no. That is what we do here. Bruce told me the most

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important word in the second step for me was the word restore. He says, Don, you haven't always

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been a raving maniac. There was a time you were saying and God in his mercy will restore you to

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that point. And you get to start over. And that was confirmed by my bullshit sifter.

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They used the word reborn. That means start over. He also gently said, we're not going to worry

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about when you went crazy. We will assume that happened about three seconds after you were born.

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Then we won't worry about tracking that down. And he said, you're not a psychopath. And you're

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not a sociopath. Although I can present the symptoms of either one of those with the drop of a drink.

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You get my back against the wall and see if I don't look like a psychopath. Get in my way and I'll

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kill you. At least that's what my eyes say. I didn't, I never did want to do that. They said

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they're not wrong with you except you suffer from alcoholic insanity, which in this book is

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defines the simply even my sick mind can deal with it. You know, a story about a young fellow

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car salesman who was now working for the company that he used to own stopped into a bar for lunch

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one day. I figured well, hell, I've eaten and I've been in a little while. I can safely have a

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drink if I put it in my milk and did and promptly ended up back in another sanitarium somewhere.

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And it says whatever the precise definition, the word we call that insanity.

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Lack of proportion and the ability to think straight. God, that's me. If one works, take 10.

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I either had two or three jobs or none. I didn't drive a car. I drove a 49 mercury convertible

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maroon with leopard skin sheet covers. I walked and people had been telling me for years that I

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couldn't think straight. You see, I'm rubber minded. The piece that's mission in my head

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means that when the truth goes in, it gets bent by the gap. By the time it comes out, it's not the truth.

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Bruce told me even the truth wouldn't work for me. And because it wouldn't, that he suggested,

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since my best thinking put me into penitentiary, that I better forget everything I think I know

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about anything, particularly about God. Because I had been on a spiritual search since I was born.

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Somehow I've known, deep within me, that my answer would be spiritual.

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But I'm a thief at heart. I've been trying to steal that for years. I was one of those early on that

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thought Timothy Leary had a genuine answer. And I had me some spiritual awakening, I can promise

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and I've been in and out of the river. And I've, well, we didn't get it all the way.

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I've had some spiritual awakenings, no substance to them, but I've tried. If you're new here

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and you're concerned as you probably are as to whether or not you can work these steps correctly,

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let me set your mind at ease. You can't. It takes rigorous honesty and I've never met a new drunk

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that has even a little bit of that. I didn't. I did this whole thing for the wrong reason from the

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get-go and the joy of it is it worked anyway. I came here genuinely frightened because I didn't

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know the difference between right and wrong. I didn't know I was incapable of differentiating

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the truth from the false, which gave me another thing to identify with. It said neither did you.

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And it talked about this honesty and I went to my sponsor and said I'm scared. I may be

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constitutionally incapable of being honest. And Phil says, well, I think you'll be all right. That's

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probably the first honest statement you've ever made. To take my third step to give my life and

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go to the care of God. But I had one last real hang-up, you know, dead at the core and still

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when it came to that final surrender, I had a hanger. You gave me the good news that my life

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would not be worthless, that God had something important for me to do. That was not good news.

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I knew that what he wanted me to do, if I gave my life to him, would go to the corner of Colfax

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and Broadway and hand out watchtower magazines and ask perfect strangers have you been saved,

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brother. And I didn't want to do that. But I didn't want to live as I'd been living either.

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And came to a place where if that's what God has in mind for me, that's exactly what I'll do.

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And then I went to take my life to God and I said my prayer and I'm an alcoholic. I can handle

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anything that comes along as long as it goes boom shakes to it. I said that prayer and

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absolutely nothing happened. Nothing scary. And I had been there long enough to know

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that if your sponsor tells you you go do something and you go do it and you don't get the results

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you think you ought to be giving, go bet you Adam. And I did. You know what his response to me was

00:34:03

that I should be grateful that I didn't have a flash of light but they nearly killed me all my

00:34:09

life. And then he did what the people of Alcoholics Anonymous do better than anybody else on this

00:34:19

planet. Each one of us in this room has got a certain allotted amount of time and maybe that's

00:34:27

it for this trip. And he took some of his precious time and gave it to me so that I could feel

00:34:41

okay. He shared with me his spiritual experience. This is the man that had killed some people and

00:34:48

I could listen to him because I could look in his eyes and know this man is not capable of killing

00:34:54

anybody and he told me that's right. I have been changed and I want you all to know particularly

00:35:02

you new folks. I did not stay with Alcoholics Anonymous to learn how to cope with life.

00:35:07

My copor broke years ago and the spare parts are out of out of style now. I came here to be changed

00:35:16

and the promise of this program in this book and in my life experience is that we get to have an

00:35:24

entire psychic change if that's what we wanted more new people and he had been changed and he talked

00:35:34

to me about the God he had found that was gentle. He says, Don God knows you probably can't

00:35:40

have one more big shock anyway. Not in the shape you're in. That God would reveal himself to me

00:35:51

as I revealed myself to me and he sent me off to do an inventory and two and a half hours later

00:35:59

when I was finished with it. I came back to him to do that first step and he left me right in the

00:36:12

eye and he said that's garbage. You wrote that to impress me. Get away from me. Now I was baffled

00:36:20

again. Here's the guy who's just giving me all the love that there is and two and a half hours later

00:36:25

he's treating me me. I had risked being honest to be part of you and he told me it was garbage

00:36:34

and so I ran off and found a fellow who would listen to my first step and he spent the next

00:36:43

couple hours justifying my behavior to me telling me it went all the way because all I'd done was

00:36:47

put down some of the bizarre things I had done and I had a genuine spiritual awakening as that took

00:36:55

place because I became aware that once again I had picked somebody who would tell me what I wanted

00:37:02

to hear so I could keep doing what I wanted to do and if I didn't stop doing that I was a dead

00:37:08

cookie. Please understand that my definition of spiritual awakening is very simple. Anytime

00:37:17

any alcoholic has any glimmering of truth that's a spiritual awakening and with that is the beginning.

00:37:29

I went back and searched myself to find out do I want this more than life itself and this was

00:37:39

the simple promises that I was given early done if you will do this you can find a way to live

00:37:47

that makes sense to you. That's a rather novel concept don't you think. I spent my whole life

00:37:53

trying to make it make sense to you. I've never considered that my life had to make sense to me

00:38:00

and I can tell you today with great joy that there are vast numbers of people that my life

00:38:05

doesn't make any sense to at all but it does make sense to me. Did I want to stop feeling useless?

00:38:19

Yeah if I'm crafting this damn thing I don't want to feel useless on top of that so I went back

00:38:32

into this thing as perfectly as I knew how and I did what it said in this book if you're new here

00:38:42

tonight let me caution you. If you don't want what we had then don't do these steps

00:38:51

because if you do what this says we did you'll get what we got. In 1966 federal narcotics

00:39:14

agents came to my house but they came through my house. They came through the front door and the

00:39:23

back door and the side window knocked me to the floor and were being rude and my four-year-old

00:39:34

son let out a shriek in this big cop put a gun to his head and almost shot him and I went past

00:39:41

resentment at light speed and the hate and nursed that for a long time I nursed it all the way through

00:39:48

the federal penitentiary and out you know how we alcoholics are got I had a marvelous scheme I

00:39:54

wasted six months of my thought life scheming how I was going to get that one I won't tell you

00:40:00

how because there's some new people here and they may still have those ideas it was marvelous

00:40:08

when it came time to do that inventory all this book said I had to do is put down a list of all

00:40:13

the people that I was mad at and he was there and that said I was supposed to put down why there

00:40:23

were 22 reasons I was mad at him that's pretty egotistical one little bust and I got 22 things

00:40:30

I'm mad at and the set I was supposed to put down what that was affecting in my life will tell everything

00:40:41

and it suggested that I take a new attitude toward this person and I really genuinely tried

00:40:47

that he like myself was perhaps spiritually sick and I can agree with that sick people do that kind

00:40:52

of work and we still hated him and then this magnificent thing got to me before I had the slightest

00:41:18

idea we didn't get me and got me the next suggestion was that I set aside whatever wrongs you may have

00:41:24

done and resolutely look for my mistakes and it burst upon me I've invited him to the house I

00:41:34

gave him an engraved invitation I'd been smuggling marijuana out of Mexico and not paying the tax on

00:41:39

and that made me his business that made me fair game for him and anybody like you and I began

00:41:52

the path toward freedom my troubles truly are of my own making I cannot ever again say to anybody

00:42:05

you did that to me I got me here I did it and I am convinced that before I could look at that I needed

00:42:15

some grace and a sense that God was with me because the terrible guilt it would have come from

00:42:21

knowing that I was responsible for almost killing my kid I'm gonna live with that but there's an

00:42:32

interesting thing about this program there is no way man at the end of the third step prayer

00:42:39

it comes at the end of the seventh step prayer which kind of indicates to me that from the time I

00:42:45

make that first prayer until I'm through with all this the whole thing is one great big prayer

00:42:52

and I'm in a state of grace and I believe that because that's how it happened for me I could look

00:42:58

at that and say my God if that's how I'm behaving something else better around my life

00:43:04

I went through a whole thing there I learned about fear I'd been living with fear all my life

00:43:12

I was baffled about that too the guys I grew up with said you're not supposed to be afraid

00:43:18

of anything and I was just plain afraid and I didn't know what I was afraid of

00:43:25

so the suggestion was well let's make a list of things that you're afraid of we'll put some names

00:43:30

on them and I've got bizarre yeah I'm afraid of being alone then I'm afraid of being with people

00:43:43

I'm afraid to talk I'm afraid you won't ask me to I'm afraid to feel anything because it's always

00:43:56

been inappropriate I cry at hockey games and laugh at funerals things come over me and I don't know

00:44:05

what to do with them desperately afraid of this there's a loony lives in there

00:44:15

a maniac scared to death of them because you can't think straight the main problem of the

00:44:25

alcoholic centers in the mind I have a mind that's incapable at certain times of thinking

00:44:32

straight enough to keep me out of trouble I have a set of emotions that we're on the way to do

00:44:41

something we both want to do and you say to me we have to do this like hell we do I have the kind

00:44:53

of a mind the kind of fear I'm talking about is the time that comes over me at 8 10 in the morning

00:45:00

when the alarm was set for 8 so I could get to work at 8 30 and I start thinking oh god

00:45:11

I get up at 8 so I can miss the traffic and I'm gonna be caught in traffic by the time I get there

00:45:15

I'm gonna be 20 minutes late and my supervisor is going to say put where the hell have you been

00:45:20

in such a tone that I will have to say if none of your business he will say it is my business I

00:45:35

say you're sorry and I will say no you don't I quit and knowing that's what's going to happen I

00:45:45

don't even get out of bed I go get done kind of fear that paralyzes me because I don't even

00:46:10

know what I'm afraid of how can I deal with it it paralyzes me and the only relief I ever got

00:46:16

was putting that booze or something else on it and then of course the day came when it didn't

00:46:20

work it got me involved in the fear I learned about God's grace and mercy at this point do you know

00:46:32

our porn erotic brothers and sisters have to learn how to deal with fear God bless them they

00:46:38

have to go through some horrible things and learn all kinds of techniques when they come up on fear

00:46:46

all we have to do is to ask God to remove that fear and to direct our thinking and our attention

00:46:54

to what he wants us to be and it goes away I'd make that up first time I thought it was in the

00:47:02

bullshit sifter and I tried it and it worked I tried it and it worked I no longer have any

00:47:12

nameless fears every now and then I get scared I can tell you just exactly what I'm scared of

00:47:18

and I immediately say whoops take this away and direct my thinking to what you want me to be

00:47:24

and then I get on about my business as if he were going to do that and he does I was about two and a half

00:47:30

years before I could do the sex inventory I in addition to the booze did an awful lot of speed

00:47:38

in wire mine inhalers and LSD and it was a very confusing thing and when I got it done it fit on

00:47:45

the back of that you are up here and I learned some more about mercy during that I generally

00:48:00

couldn't face any of that and I just asked that it be dealt with and over that period of time I

00:48:06

was healed of whatever was wrong there then I was able to do the work the way the book says

00:48:12

and clear up those few indiscretions not a nice word this sounds like it was a big deal but that

00:48:24

first inventory was a shabby little effort God for you new folks don't worry about it

00:48:31

you see there wasn't a whole lot left here my memory didn't work too well man I came upon something

00:48:40

that I'd finally done and I went off to take that fist up what a day that was I picked the fella who

00:48:48

had the same amount of sobriety I had because you had told me to find someone to share this with

00:48:53

it wouldn't be overly effective and Jim was as crazy as I was nothing I could say

00:48:58

Jim was in that pantantry for a crime that he will never remember he was the first one in

00:49:11

Colorado to be convicted of vehicular homicide he killed somebody in a blackout when he was drunk

00:49:19

and I've always filled a deep sadness for Jim because he'll never know what he did all he knows

00:49:24

is what the price was and I came to love him dearly he's out there one afternoon as people

00:49:32

were about to do and he listened to me as I shared with him the failures of my life

00:49:42

fears and the wretchedness and all of the stuff that I didn't want to be anymore

00:49:47

so the joy of it is once we do that we don't have to be that anymore he goes away and somewhere in

00:49:55

that afternoon a thing happened to me that I didn't understand at the time I just felt

00:50:02

I stopped being alone I found you know why I was so alone my god on this planet there was me

00:50:11

and whoever I needed you to be and that's who lived on this planet and that's the only thing

00:50:18

that afternoon there became me and a fellow named Jim there were two people on the planet now

00:50:24

and I've been a long since I would like to share with you if I can do without bond you can

00:50:33

imagine how close Jim and I became and I got out before he did and one of the jobs I got when I

00:50:40

got out was driving an old delivery truck and the only thing wrong with that job was that every

00:50:45

afternoon after everybody else got to go home I had to take the packages that were going out on

00:50:50

the bus up to the bus station and wait in line and I never knew when I'd get off work and that

00:50:54

kind of rankled me a little bit but one afternoon when I was sitting in that line

00:51:00

through the door walks a prison guard with Jim they're sending him back to Florida where he lived

00:51:07

and for a brief moment with incredible odds against it he and I got a couple minutes together

00:51:17

I know he's okay and he knows I'm okay which was very important that we know and that's mercy

00:51:24

well I finished with that fifth step and I went back to myself and did what it said to do next

00:51:31

which was to review that and see if I'd done a third job and I had another one of special things

00:51:37

happened to me I was no longer a sprinter for the first time that I could remember I'd finished

00:51:45

something to the very best of my ability that never happened before and once it came a certain

00:51:52

insurance knowledge that that was a shabby effort and I had a lot of work to do but for the time

00:51:58

being that was it I was done and I asked God to go ahead and run my life whatever he has in mind

00:52:09

for me is better than anything I have in mind for me and that please don't let the things I

00:52:14

haven't found yet kill me before I get to him found some yesterday afternoon I'm still here

00:52:22

so he's still working apparently it was at this point that I began to be filled with evangelical

00:52:30

fury it's no way I can describe it I got free locked up for the night from the Colorado State

00:52:42

Penitentiary and I've been free ever since my sponsor had sent me off to start working on the

00:52:50

eighth and ninth step now his thought was this first of all the list started out with all the

00:53:01

people that had hurt me and then I was to add anybody else I can thank you I wasn't on any of

00:53:08

these other lists because he said you know if you met him you heard him somehow

00:53:15

just take care of that but the key to this was this I knew what I had done to these people by now

00:53:22

but he said you don't know what that did to them so what I want you to do is make that list out

00:53:30

and then close your eyes at each name and picture that person in front of you

00:53:34

and see if you can feel a willingness within you as you look them right in the eye to say to them

00:53:42

I have caused you harm will you please tell me what I have to do to get the books to bounce

00:53:51

very risky and I got free there's no great let wait taken from me but that night I was lifted

00:54:02

as I realized that there is no one on this planet that I'm afraid to look in the eye and say

00:54:07

five hundred you tell me what I have to do and we'll get straight

00:54:13

one of my big problems that I was always either better than you were or worse than you were

00:54:17

we never had a chance never had a chance well they wouldn't let me off to see you and I wouldn't

00:54:23

let you in to see me and that's a good thing because man I was filled with the fury

00:54:31

how to screw it up Bruce was never gonna get out of there and he had gotten through this

00:54:37

so I asked him about that and he says well some of them we can write letters to them clear up

00:54:42

and the rest of them with God's grace you're just gonna have to live with until you can get

00:54:46

to see them that the key was in the willingness to do so not in the doing and so I made a list of

00:54:54

people to write to and a list of people to go see and had him check it he said no no no no

00:55:02

I think this person that you want to write a letter to you better wait and go see them

00:55:06

and this guy you're so anxious to go see you can probably handle that with a letter

00:55:12

disappointing to see my judgment so

00:55:19

it is at the eighth and ninth stuff that I wish I had three hours to share with you

00:55:24

because it was at this point that I have experienced

00:55:28

what it means to be alive and to be a service to God most of those amends are simple but there's

00:55:35

three of them that I talked about that weren't simple

00:55:41

how do you make amends to mom that worries me just going to mom and saying I'm sorry mom I

00:55:48

didn't mean to do that he's not gonna get it and it was a while after I got out before my

00:55:55

mother would see me and the day came she would see me and I found a way not in those exact words

00:56:01

to say what do I have to do the secret to using that method to make amends is that as soon as you

00:56:06

say what do I have to do you shut up listen well they tell you she said honey all I've ever

00:56:15

wanted was for you to be happy so on a regular basis to this day I go bomb my mother's house

00:56:21

happier now or she believed this would not take but you know I had no reason to ever believe that

00:56:42

she would ever ever be able to count on me again so that didn't matter I wasn't doing it

00:56:46

for that reason we have a good time today my my mother graduated from college when she was 63

00:56:52

and she's a pistol she's a go-getter I quit trying to steal from my father quit trying to steal his

00:57:03

ideas and his personality and his money and his time I robbed him a lot of time my dad and I just

00:57:11

have fun today my father is an unmeasured genius lives in a 48 room house full of stuff and that's

00:57:20

what his mind is made up of and I'm loving and his statement to me last week this is the man who

00:57:31

said I could not come again was Don you welcome as the flowers and may I'm back to kids I damaged

00:57:41

my kids I drove my kids in and out of crash pads and in and out of jails and in and out of foster

00:57:46

homes I damaged my children and there is no way to fix that a dear a friend of mine reminded me

00:57:53

there's nothing I can ever do to change what I did to them all I can do is give them an arena

00:57:59

or a place where they can get well to and give them the very best of what I am today

00:58:07

we almost had to lock my older son up for some very serious problems and the day came when I

00:58:15

could no longer help him and I had to tell him there's nothing more I can do we try to eat

00:58:20

EKGs and EEGs and all that because he was getting bizarre and he was hurting people and I said

00:58:30

Terry you're going to have to find your answer the same place I found mine inside and I asked him

00:58:35

do you still believe in God and he said no dad I don't think so but because you do I will keep

00:58:41

praying it's what you did hey that's what you gave me that I could take home to my kid because

00:58:52

I couldn't help him a week later he came out of his dungeon and said let's check my eyes and

00:58:58

that's what it was he had a weird eye condition that made it impossible for he saw the world in

00:59:04

a distorted way hell I know about that we undistorted him and he joined the Air Force and went to Alaska

00:59:13

and had two babies he's coming home in September to go to work with me and he hated me

00:59:22

you gave me by giving me contact with God in the wisdom to know that I had powerless

00:59:28

the strength to put my son out in the snow when it was 20 below and it may sound a little bizarre

00:59:33

but if you're alcoholic you understand that I think he's one of us if he isn't he'll do till

00:59:40

one shows up but he was destroying our home and as much as I loved him I discovered one day

00:59:52

that for a year and a half I'd been saving him when I was killing him and that if I kept trying

00:59:57

to fix that kid he was guaranteed to die by my efforts and I did the hardest thing I've ever

01:00:05

had to do I said you have to go now not tomorrow now you have to go and he hated me and he went

01:00:17

out in the snow when he slept in the snow that winter underneath some stairs that he

01:00:22

condominium and God gave me the grace and the strength not to go see where he was sleeping

01:00:29

you see with me he had one chance in the thousand of living

01:00:33

with God he had unlimited odds and he's one of God's babies too now he's all right today

01:00:38

he works with me he's running my business right now I hope but someday this tall

01:00:48

blonde good looking kid who hadn't got very much smarts can walk through that door

01:00:54

he'd just be kind to him and gave him the same message he gave me

01:00:59

because he's no longer in my hands I have two little step-notters today God bless both of them

01:01:11

they drive me crazy I love them dearly and I don't understand them at all but we communicate

01:01:25

pretty good in my house because of you not well I was I can still remember the day was

01:01:32

a honey six months ago they were yelling and screaming because that's what they do best

01:01:38

and sometimes I knew that day I couldn't live with and I sent them to their rooms

01:01:42

and I was in good spiritual condition well I'm slammed the door so I went out and took both

01:01:50

doors off of hinges and took them to the basement I faced with the facts that I had to go down

01:02:07

to the basement and carry them damn doors back up I said one again a short while back

01:02:24

I met a sane lady and was given whatever it takes to say yes I'll live with you

01:02:34

and we're engaged upon the greatest adventure I've ever been part of I found out with her early

01:02:41

but that wasn't enough this time it took more than that you see they came when I chose to die rather

01:02:49

than live one more day as I was and somehow in this process I reached a place where I was willing

01:02:55

to grow old and I found that I'm willing to grow old with her and man is that something

01:03:06

we never try to fix each other she works pretty good anyhow and she puts up with things from me that

01:03:15

I wouldn't put up with from me and it's a joy just a joy there came a time when I I've worked

01:03:31

steps so it was on a spiritual path my life made sense I had a job and a place to live

01:03:36

was active in AA and it was a gap something was missing and I didn't have any idea what it was

01:03:46

I 12 set because I'm left the word obligation isn't right I don't have any choice I'm left with

01:03:52

a sense of gratitude that will strangle me if I don't do something with it and so I go give it away

01:03:59

as fast as I can and it was still something missing and you taught me early on when you find somebody

01:04:06

who has had something that you want you hook on to them and you latch on you don't let go

01:04:11

until you find out what that is and how they got that and I met a fellow named Gary Brown who by the

01:04:18

way is talking about her serenity I guess on the 4th of July don't miss him he's marvelous very unlikely

01:04:26

fellow tall good-looking college educated you want to sell clothes you put them on Gary Brown

01:04:33

let him walk around and people buy them and he had something I wanted and he was headed for

01:04:40

an area assembly over Montrose with his wife and daughter and I said I'm going with you he didn't

01:04:48

have any choice he really didn't he hadn't planned on me but I wonder what he had he said he had

01:04:55

GSR now I didn't know whether that was a condition or property that's what he had and so I went

01:05:05

and I said I thought at that time everybody in AA had been sober forever and were saints

01:05:12

and I sat in my first AA business meeting God was that something I went back to Bethel real quick

01:05:29

they were fighting like they met business over things that had no sense but that night

01:05:35

at the restaurant these same people were sitting at a long table and I walked in and stood for a

01:05:44

minute and I heard laughter laughter the kind of laughter I'd never heard before these people

01:05:53

who that afternoon were ready to kill each other over meaningless stuff were laughing just because

01:05:59

it was fun to laugh and because they were together and the jokes stuck and they laughed anyway and I

01:06:06

can remember the urgency of the feeling wondering will I ever be part of that and one of the trusted

01:06:13

servants got up from the table and came to me and invited me to sit with them and it was that

01:06:19

easy I caught GSR on the spot and the gap the thing that was missing has been filled I owe this

01:06:32

fellowship more than my life I have an obligation to the alcoholic that walks in that door 50 years

01:06:41

from now when I'm dead and gone and the obligation is very simple but that person gets the exact

01:06:49

same message that I got that made my life make sense and I'm responsible for that

01:06:58

I'm responsible to make sure that I don't find anything fancy to fix this thing up with

01:07:04

got to take a couple more minutes to give you what's excited me the last two years

01:07:12

this thing is incredible it was put together by drunks you heard David talked about the struggle

01:07:19

but once they got it right it was put into the hands of the rest of us

01:07:25

now you put that anything that's written down in the hands of several million alcoholics

01:07:30

and every one of them has got to say something like that would be just a little bit better

01:07:35

if only and you know we haven't been able to change the word of it there must be some power

01:07:46

there I'm thrilled to think of this thing here these two guys these two drunks who couldn't even

01:07:54

get themselves walked up in the right place start doing something and they count noses on a

01:08:00

regular basis and one night they're sitting in the kitchen and it turns out there's about 40

01:08:05

that news was so momentous that they decided we better write a book about that

01:08:10

400 million people on the planet 40 of them are doing something that works and we're going to write

01:08:14

a book about them and we inherited that book and everybody that uses simple way it's meant to use

01:08:27

get something done we belong to the first generation and recorded history where alcoholics do not

01:08:34

have to die on alcoholic death that gives me the chills my research has taken me back as far as Noah

01:08:44

oh that was a beauty God gave him kind of an important job to do and he argued about how

01:08:51

much snake bite medicine he got to take and the first thing he did when he hit dry land was plant

01:08:56

grapes as soon as they were riphe stomped them into wine got rowing drunken through his whole

01:09:06

family out of their home that is not social drinking from that day to this except for brief

01:09:26

individual recoveries or brief movements alcoholics have died horrible deaths and their families

01:09:33

have lived in horrible circumstances and I get to belong to the place where God sent the message

01:09:45

that if you're alcoholic you do not ever have to drink again where we were given away by which

01:09:51

we could put our own lives back together and our families could get well and the dreams that

01:09:57

were dead could come up again I owe something to that I belong to you I will do anything that you

01:10:06

asked me to do because I know that everything you asked me to do is going to be vastly beyond my

01:10:12

ability to do it and the minute I know I can't do it I call on my partner and I say all right you

01:10:20

got me into this now you come with me and we'll go try it and I can't begin to describe the

01:10:26

adventure I've had I just had the privilege of serving two years as Colorado's area delegate

01:10:31

and I didn't want to do that I'm not delegate material and I was afraid I'd screw this thing up

01:10:39

I went to Mike Rainbow said Mike I'm afraid I'll screw this thing up

01:10:44

they said kid they're nothing you could do in two years to screw this thing up anyway just go

01:10:50

and I did but the richness of this year can be summed up in my 10 year old daughter

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in making amends I've learned to listen to my children I used to live 120 miles away from

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Denver and once a week I had to go into town and I got thinking about what this was doing to my

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boys did it bother them and you know I lived the kind of life when I left there was no guarantee I was

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coming back or that if I did come back that there wouldn't be a whole bunch of freaks right behind me

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and I asked my boys that one day they were bothered and they said no we don't mind if you go

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but please tell us when you're coming back you see my children don't need any more surprises

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my young stepdaughters live in a city and their real fathers are Denver detective

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and I hear things and they're not safe when I'm gone they don't feel good my 10 year old when I go out

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at night says where are you going dad and I can hear it in her voice

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and if I say I'm going to an a meeting she just relaxes and walks away because I belong to AA

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my children know I'll be home tonight that's good enough reason for me to stay here until I'm

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old and gray there's times I get in their way and yell at them but they won't be around I'm

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going to close with a gift for you I can tell you that I love you and there's no way to ever convey

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that with the depth that I feel it but I can tell you how I see you I spent my whole life trying

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to find out who I was and I became like old legions I was everybody I'd ever met read about heard

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about scene oh god it was noisy and I tried to sort all that out and couldn't and I came to you

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and you told me that what we're going to do was like what had happened when the fellow

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first saw the statue of Michelangelo's David I don't know if you've seen it or not but it

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breathes and he was so awestruck that he went to Michelangelo and said how'd you do that

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said well I took this block of stone and I chipped away everything that didn't look like David

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that's what I got that's alcoholics anonymous for me with God is the sculptor

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and you and these steps and what we do here is the chisel and me is a very willing block of stone

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one day at a time we're chipping away everything that doesn't look like dawn and so far this is