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To thank you all, we have never been able to do this with this many thousand people in the auditorium.

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The thing the Mandela said has been so powerful it was life-changing and it is AA in its spirit.

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I diminished it because I didn't say what he said. I said what I heard him say.

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I would like to read it to you.

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Our worst fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure.

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It is our light not our darkness which most fightens us.

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We ask ourselves, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented and fabulous?

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Actually, who are you not to be?

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You are playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightening about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you.

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We were born to make manifest the glory of God within us.

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It is not just in some of us, it is in everyone and as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same.

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As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others.

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And if anybody ever had a reason to be pissed, it was him.

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And he wasn't. He came out smiling.

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So thank you for your indulgence. That is what this whole thing says to me in my heart.

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Don't be afraid to let you light shine.

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Sex inventory is one of the finest things to use for all of life.

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I was two years before I was able to get my first sex inventory done.

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My memory wasn't that good and I was so screwed up in that area.

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When I finally got it done, it fit on a three by five card.

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I was amazed that I ever had children.

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But the way it is in the big book, it's a conduct inventory. It's not a pornographic inventory.

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And technically it's important.

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The resentment inventory says make a list first.

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Bill talks of course about all of us needing a little overhaul there.

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Some people think we ought to have sex all the time.

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Some blame the whole troubles of the world on it.

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We have a myriad of screwed up ideas about this deal.

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We do not want to be the arbiter of anyone's sexual conduct.

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That means I'm not to be the arbiter of my own either.

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One of the most profound things I ever heard was a person who, in giving directions for the

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inventory, told another person, we don't know yet whether God wants you to be a whore or a muck.

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So forget what you think you know about it because it doesn't.

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Now he hasn't made many of either in AA that I've seen, a few.

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So we reviewed our own conduct over the past.

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It says it's real important because this is specific.

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I'm to review my conduct over the past.

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Where had we been selfish, dishonest, or inconsiderate?

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If you answer those questions, the list will make itself.

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If all I do is make a list of the people I've had sexual relations with,

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I'm going to miss most of the meat of this inventory.

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The withholding of sex is as much a harmful thing as indiscriminate sex.

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And we'll miss it if I just make that list.

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So where have I been selfish, dishonest, and inconsiderate?

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That doesn't need to interpret it.

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I make, well, who am I heard?

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Did we unjustifiably rouse jealousy, suspicion, or bitterness?

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That, by the way, is a standard business practice.

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That's a manipulative tool in many areas of life.

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And in this arena, particularly, you're not giving me enough attention.

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So I indicate there may be a little dalliance around the corner,

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and you start giving me more attention.

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Where will we at fault and what should we have done instead?

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The very question indicates that I probably know the difference between right and wrong now.

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And the question, what should I have done instead is almost anything but what I did.

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Don't have to get fancy with that one.

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But can you see how clearly this lays out for me where my amends are going to come from?

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What should I have done instead?

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That's what I have to clean up, both directly and in my life.

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We got all this down on paper and looked at it.

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So this is another written inventory.

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I don't have a copy of that because I've got to be honest with you.

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I haven't had sexual aberration for about 27 years.

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I married a horny Italian woman and everything's just fine.

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We make light of that, but it's the truth.

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I don't, not at first because it doesn't say to do that.

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I'm just following the directions here.

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It says, I start out by saying where have I been selfish, dishonor, inconsiderate, and the

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list then gets made right there.

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As I answer the question, I don't make a list ahead of time because I'm going to leave some

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See, we have the mistaken idea that sex is intercourse.

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That's just the picnic on the journey.

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We got locked into the picnic and we missed everything that happened on the journey.

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Most of the harm comes on the journey.

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So men particularly were stupid.

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Ladies that doesn't let you off the hook, so are you.

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But in a different direction.

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The problem I had with women most of my life is that I had learned about women from men who don't

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What I know about women today and what I know about sex today, I learned from my wife.

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She doesn't think that's true, but it's true.

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I was a virgin when I came to her spiritually.

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Well these guys that sit behind you make me nervous.

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In this way, in laying it out this way, we try to shape a sane and sound ideal for our

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future sex life or for our future business life or our future play life.

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Whatever it may be, answering these questions helps me set the new ideal.

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I don't have to get fancy with it.

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It's not to find my ideal mate.

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It's to determine my ideal for my own conduct in this world and in this arena.

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What a marvelous tool this is.

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All I have to do is look at what I did wrong and the opposite of that will be the right.

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It was in this that I made some interesting discoveries about myself.

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There are other things in life that interest me almost as much.

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And the older I get, the more of those there are.

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I still believe that God created anything better than that.

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But I also have to admit, if he hadn't made it fun, we wouldn't do it.

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Hey, it's so weird that we won't even let children watch it.

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So, you know, really, we subjected each relationship to this test.

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Whether it be sexual or any other relationship, business relationship, whatever, this is the test.

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Boy, you got me because in some aspect, absolutely.

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We asked God to mold our ideals and help us live up to them.

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Same prayer we had been saying, what would you have me be?

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Now, I carry this into my marriage.

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This is good when you first come here in your sexual maniac.

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This will guide you and help you.

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The fact is that I did marry a lady who really enjoys me and our activities and that includes sex.

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That does not mean that I have proprietary rights over her body and we can have sex any time I want.

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That's selfish and would be selfish.

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I listened to anyone who has something spiritual to say and it was an old assembly of God and preacher used to commit to that penitentiary.

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And I could never have that experience.

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I made myself available to it time and time again.

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It just didn't happen for me.

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But I did discover some things.

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If we can get a chorus of we shall gather at the river, I'm with you.

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And this little man was a truly spiritual man.

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It didn't matter what he called himself.

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We knew that and we would sit with him and let him talk with us and ask him questions.

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And he mentioned one day that there were times he had doubt and I still had the spiritual illusion that all spiritual people,

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there's no more doubt or temptation.

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It's, you know, you get your tweed jacket with the leather patches on the elbow and the house up on the side of the mountain with the

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overlooking veranda where you sit listening to Mozart coming out of the back room and dispense the little wisdom to the peasants as they go by.

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He had doubts, he said, and temptations.

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And we said, well, what do you do?

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He said, when I am in doubt or when I have temptation, I take the master by the hand.

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And I say to him, if I go do this, will you go with me?

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And if I don't get a solid yes, I just don't go.

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I'll either get a solid yes or a solid no.

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If I don't get an answer, I don't go.

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Now I was awake enough to know that God is always with me, but the idea was clear.

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And I've got a stronger test than that for you, the one that I put myself to because I'm weaker than that preacher was, I think.

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If what I'm about to do, could I be, would I be able to do that?

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If my wife were watching, my mother were watching, my granddaughter were watching, or my daughter's watching?

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We don't let our daughters watch our intercourse, but they watch me trying to seduce their mother on a regular basis, and they love it.

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They know how deeply I love her.

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I've patter on the rump for blowing her ear.

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I've been known to fall to my knees in front of her and say, thank you, Jesus, thank you.

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I mean, I'm blatant about it because that's playful.

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And the daughters have got good attitudes about sex.

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There's nothing to be afraid of, and they know I love their mother.

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We're not going to let them watch. That's private.

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We need to always remember that our sex powers were God-given and therefore good.

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Neither to be as lightly and self-esteem or to be despised and loathed.

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I'm to take kind of a neutral thing here, and the key was God gets to be in on this deal too.

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I'm to practice these principles in all of my affairs.

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We've been married in, I don't know, two or three years when it occurred to me that I never consciously prayed about that.

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So I stopped for a minute. We're getting ready to go to bed and make love.

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And I just stopped for a second.

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And my own head quietly said, if I go do this, will you go with me?

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And within me I heard, oh, yeah.

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It's his creation for goodness sakes. Why not?

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And it has changed our regular life and our sex life.

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There's nights I have a headache.

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There's nights she has a headache.

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It's part of the journey, and the picnic is a great part of the journey, but it's just the picnic.

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The fun part is 24-hour-day seduction.

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I adore her. I let her know that.

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I have found all of her little weak spots.

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My favorite is when she's busy cooking to kiss her on the back of the neck because it makes you go, ooh, better than cookies, man.

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Anyway, did you get the idea? Find your own way into this.

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Our Eskimo friends, their word for sexual intercourse is, let us laugh together.

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Ooh, whatever the ideal is ought to be, we must be willing to grow toward it.

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Again, willingness is the key here.

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My strength comes from my weaknesses.

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If I think I am strong, then I will give in to my weaknesses.

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If I admit my weaknesses, I get strength.

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So I need God more here than anywhere else because this is the second most powerful power source of the human condition.

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This is the one that drives the whole damn planet

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and can either be used for good or it can destroy it.

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Everything we're trying to build.

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We must be willing to make amends where we have done harm, provided that we do not bring about still more harm than so doing.

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Counsel with sane people though, if you can find any.

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In other words, we treat sex as we would any other problem.

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Holy mackerel, do you hear what that says?

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What's common next is the solution to every problem I may ever have.

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That's what it says, every problem.

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In meditation we ask God what we should do about each specific matter.

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The rule book just goes out the window.

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Now I live by principles, not by rules.

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What worked last week is a rule may not work this week.

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In any activity I have, but the principle, will this cause any harm?

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The right answer will come if we want it.

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What should I do about each specific matter?

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I can apply that to every activity of my life.

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And I've done some bizarre things with that.

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I believe in practicing prayer and practicing the presence of God.

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So when I got out of the penitentiary where they were feeding me, I had no choices there.

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I used to stand in front of the bread counter at Safeway and practice.

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I would say in my present state of health, which of these should I be eating?

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And then I let everything go out of focus.

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And whether it came back into focus first, that's the one I bought.

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And I don't think God necessarily takes time out from his day to say, oh, get the rainbow white.

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I believe it's the practice that was important.

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I got used to asking God in each situation no matter what it was.

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You don't even think of it anymore.

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So the first time through you got a lot of housecleaning to do because we are all sexually weird when we get here.

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Not necessarily terribly sick, but weird.

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I don't know where you grew up, but where I grew up, we didn't talk about it except on the street.

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With guys who'd never done it before either.

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And girls wouldn't talk about it with us.

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What the hell are we going to know?

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Some of us come from an old Quaker background where that's really bad news.

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I have been beaten severely in this arena with rubber hose and things like that.

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And many of you have had the same thing because we get some weird stuff in this country.

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Ask God what should I do about each specific matter.

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So I have to learn how to meditate, don't I?

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If I'm going to go in meditation, I have to learn how and later on we get taught how to do that.

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This whole business is about prayer, isn't that lovely?

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Suppose we fall short of the chosen ideal and stumbled.

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Does that mean we're going to get drunk?

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It depends entirely upon our motives.

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If we're willing to straighten that out and be taken on to better things, probably not.

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If we're not sorry and we continue to harm others, we will surely drink.

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So what is it that will cause me to drink?

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Harming others is what's sure to make me drink.

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Anything that separates from me from you is sure to make me drink.

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Whether it be resentment or fear or conduct.

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If it separates me from you, I am sure to drink.

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If I harm you, I am sure to drink.

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What a wonderful tool God's got.

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I don't get to even pray for myself anymore except as those prayers may affect how it works with you.

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But I found a way around that one, by the way.

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Or I found a way to get into that one all the way.

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I need to be filled with a sense of the presence of God.

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And I can't ask for that for me.

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Please fill me with your loving spirit and let it flow through me and into the lives of others.

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As long as I'm willing to let it keep flowing, I'm full.

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Don't get rid of your, you can't get rid of your scheme or anyway.

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To sum up about sex or any other problem, we earnestly pray for the right ideal.

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For guidance and each questionable situation.

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Again, Bruce, I don't know what's questionable.

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If you're involved in it, it's questionable.

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Anytime I have two possibilities or more, it's questionable.

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Every situation is questionable because life is made up of choices.

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Insanity in here is described in the story of the car salesman named Jim as lack of proportion

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in the ability to think straight.

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So sanity would be proportion, proportion, and the ability to think straight.

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My genes tell me my whole purpose for being on Earth is to repopulate it.

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So many females, so little time.

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I'm driven with that genetically.

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I can get clear out of proportion with that.

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This means it's saying I understand that's not just my job.

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Frankly, it's too big a job for me anyway.

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And I get distracted by good music sometimes and forget it.

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You can laugh if you want what I do.

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Strengths to do the right thing.

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I know the difference between right and wrong.

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What I lack is power, or in this case, the strength to do the right thing.

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Once I know what the right thing is quite often, the feeling I get is, oh, I'm just a little

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You're asking too much of me.

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I don't have the strength to do that.

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And by admitting I don't have the strength and by asking for it, suddenly I get the strength

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And if I'm busy trying to get the strength to do the right thing, I don't have time to

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This is written for children because that's who we are.

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So it says we're children of the living creator.

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You know what I think is funny?

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What is the children are supposed to do most of the time?

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It's only life or death, God.

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If sex or any other problem is very troublesome, we throw ourselves a harder into helping

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We think of their needs and we work for them.

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This takes us out of ourselves and acquires the imperious urge when to yield would mean

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heartbreak, both for me and for other people.

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I can't stand one more of my own heartbreaks.

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Along the way here in this, I began to learn the difference between guilt and shame.

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And there's a very real difference.

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Guilt is what happens to me when you catch me breaking one of your standards or rules

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or laws or whatever, then I feel guilty.

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And it's very easy to take care of guilt.

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I just shut up and wait for you to tell me what I have to do to pay the debt.

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How much time I have to go, how much money it's going to be, what humiliation I have to face,

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Shame is when I've just caught myself violating one of my own standards, one of my own principles,

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The only way I can ever get rid of shame is to become the kind of person who could no longer

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And that's the transformation we get here.

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That sounds high and lofty, and it is, but it isn't.

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I don't know how many of you have ever heard of Gert Bahann.

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Gert was raised here at the Waldorf.

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62 years old, she had a Christian conversion experience and stopped drinking, set herself

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up a little trust that would keep her alive.

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She said she wished she would have remembered about inflation, but went down to Arizona

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and began working with drunks.

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And those that she couldn't take care of, she'd send to AA.

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And six years later, in her sobriety, she realized she was sending people someplace where she

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hadn't been, so she went and became an AA member of the highest standing.

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Gert was one of those people.

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The first time I saw her talk was in a cathedral in Denver.

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Little old lady, late 70s or early 80s.

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And I knew I was looking into the face of God.

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She traveled the world just talking about God.

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And if you know Fatima, you're going to hear about God because she doesn't know anything else.

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And we had Fatima out to our correctional facility.

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Let her talk to the guys for an hour.

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Took over two hours, and when she left they asked me to bring her back again tomorrow.

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But Gert, one time, we were talking about this spiritual stuff, and she was laughing at us

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as most people do, young people.

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She says, being spiritual isn't all that much different.

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She said, honey's, she called us all honey's.

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When I was sick, I used to look down on people.

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Now that I'm spiritual, I look down on people who look down on people.

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And that's what's going on here.

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My ideal is that I keep my promises.

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If I'll do that, I probably won't cause you harm.

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So I'm very, very careful about making promises.

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I used to make ones I had no intention or no way to keep.

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And my dad, one time near the end of the road, gave me this lovely tidbit, as a standard.

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He said, Don, there's only two things that a person really needs to live a good life, an honorable life.

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You have to have enough honor to keep every promise you ever make, no matter what the personal consequences.

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And enough wisdom to not make too many promises like that.

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So if I want to keep my promises, if I want to have integrity with you,

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it means we must communicate.

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There must be an exchange, a negotiation, if you will.

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Well, we both come to an agreement.

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This is how we will behave toward one another.

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Jeez, that makes my marriage pretty easy.

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I will stay faithful to this woman, to the end of the road.

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All got to just keep the promise.

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And she makes that very easy.

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But I have to keep that view.

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Now, one of the things that's done for me, quite honestly, has made me a safe man.

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Some of you ladies who know me long enough know that.

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You can hug on me and you're safe because I'm safe.

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And it's a wondrous thing that happens because it lifts it to another place.

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Some of you guys know that I'll kiss you right on the mouth if you're not careful.

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And if you're loud, I'm going to kiss you right on the mouth.

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Loud is a friend of mine from Seattle.

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Lunatics need to be kissed on the mouth regularly.

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He's stark raving mad and I just love him.

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He and Gwen just had another baby.

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At least likely father that you've ever considered and he's thriving on it.

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I would like to be a safe person.

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In whatever activity I need to have enough integrity that you know you are safe with me.

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I rely upon God and I'll let you know that right out front.

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I don't need anything from you.

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So I'm not going to be negotiating for my benefit.

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I don't need anything from you.

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I need you more than ever before.

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And these are the ideals that over the years begin to come.

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Well one of my early sponsors when I had seven children.

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There's a difference between being busy and being active and I had gotten busy.

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Pulled me aside when Danny said you know we're supposed to practice these principles in all of our affairs.

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And that means we have to practice them at home too.

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And in order to do that you got to be there once in a while.

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Have you ever listened to children?

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You want to be a good parent?

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Stop raising children the way most of us do it.

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We keep trying to impose ourselves and our dreams and our ideals on them and make them into something they aren't.

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You ever listen close to children?

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You know what their biggest bitch is?

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You want to make friends with a child?

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Sit down for a minute and listen to them.

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They have very short attention spans.

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They're not going to take up much of your time.

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My ideal is to become a listener.

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And God has made me a listener and I think you're funny because you asked me to talk.

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It'll be effective in working with people.

00:33:03

Don't figure out what they need.

00:33:05

Listen while they tell you what they need.

00:33:09

You have to really learn to listen because very few alcoholics ever say it straight.

00:33:17

You don't hear of what I'm saying.

00:33:20

I heard that from my older boy and it broke my heart because he was right.

00:33:23

I wasn't hearing what he was saying.

00:33:25

I was hearing what he was saying.

00:33:27

Anyway, by praying for those ideals and all of my affairs, I can have affairs.

00:33:36

As long as I don't have more affairs and I have principles, I'm fine.

00:33:45

Don't even want to go there right now.

00:33:53

Tomorrow morning is crying time.

00:33:55

I'm going to tell all kinds of emotional stories.

00:33:57

All of us that just bring you to tears.

00:34:02

Oh yeah, it's going to be a three-hanky morning.

00:34:04

My ideal is, according to this, God is my employer.

00:34:18

So for many, many years, I've never worked for anybody but God.

00:34:24

Now he's given me numbers of human supervisors that paid my check.

00:34:30

He has to find some way to get the money into my hands.

00:34:37

And you know, I've had amazing experiences there.

00:34:41

I went to work at a correctional facility and the first thing they did was take me out of the matrix.

00:34:47

I was not subjected to any of the routines that all the other employees had to do because I worked harder than any of them.

00:34:58

So instead of coming in at nine, I found that I could come in at seven and get more work down between seven and nine than a good all day.

00:35:06

And I don't mind that. That left me free time to actually work with people.

00:35:10

I don't want to go clear off into all that, but that's what comes out of these prayers.

00:35:14

What should I do about each specific matter?

00:35:25

Little Chuck was not capable of getting into the big book for almost a year.

00:35:30

He was so badly damaged, I just kept him with me and rode around in my car and let him spew his hate and couldn't get into it for almost a year.

00:35:42

So I'm very patient with those kind.

00:35:45

Not too long ago, a fellow came to me who'd been 17 years sober, relied entirely upon his sponsor and the 12 and 12.

00:35:56

And it never worked the steps thoroughly.

00:36:00

His sponsor did something that made him mad and then died.

00:36:05

Now, God was gone. He was mad at him.

00:36:09

There were no directions, so he drank. So at 17 years, of course he drank. He had no power.

00:36:15

And he and I had met him in Los Angeles on an airplane coming back to Denver.

00:36:21

One of those crossroad deals about five years before, and we had talked.

00:36:26

So he called me and asked me if I would take him through the steps and work with him, help him.

00:36:34

And we were going along pretty good, but he couldn't stop drinking.

00:36:39

Now, he's a holistic chiropractor.

00:36:41

And the way God works is I get my information through strange ways.

00:36:45

An Indian friend of mine wanted me to go to a holistic chiropractor for my feet.

00:36:50

And this chiropractor suggested I take some adrenal cortex.

00:36:54

I'm a label reader. I'm responsible for what goes in my body.

00:36:59

It's 80% alcohol. All those herbal medicines are.

00:37:05

And he's telling me that he doesn't understand it because he can't seem to get healthy.

00:37:09

He's taking his own herbs and all of that.

00:37:11

No wonder you haven't quit drinking. You haven't quit drinking.

00:37:17

Pointed out to him that he quit drinking.

00:37:21

And the craving went away and we went along pretty good.

00:37:25

Had a good third step experience, sent him home to make his list.

00:37:30

And he made his list. And we set up an appointment and he missed it.

00:37:35

This is about two years ago, Christmas.

00:37:38

I didn't hear from him for a while.

00:37:43

Now he's got a habit of drinking, coming back, starting over, drinking, coming back, starting over.

00:37:49

Called me and he said, you know I drank over the holiday.

00:37:52

And I said, I know you did. You want to know how I knew?

00:37:55

Well, you didn't show up. That's how I knew. Not a no-brainer.

00:38:00

He said, what should I do now? And I prayed for this specific instance.

00:38:07

And said, Ali, I think what you need to do is keep drinking.

00:38:12

I think you need to drink until you discover for yourself that you cannot not drink.

00:38:18

And when that day comes, call me back.

00:38:23

Well, I found out the other night he called one of the guys I sponsored when he finally got to that place.

00:38:30

And John said, well, what do I tell you to do when you got there?

00:38:34

He said, call him. He said, well, then why don't you call him, not me.

00:38:37

And he called me. He said, now what do I do?

00:38:41

And I prayed again. And I said to him, finish what you started.

00:38:45

You got your list. Now it's time to do that second and third call.

00:38:49

I've shown you how to do that. When you're through with that, call me back.

00:38:56

Because he knows I mean it. Don't call me till you're through.

00:38:59

Well, then in the last month, we have had one of those rocketing into the fourth dimension experiences.

00:39:06

Are we running out of time again? Go!

00:39:15

About a month ago, he called me and he said, I'm through with the first three columns.

00:39:25

And so I became immediately available, had him come over that day.

00:39:29

We went over that business in between, taught him how to pray there,

00:39:35

and then go home and do that fourth column, which he had never done before,

00:39:42

and had resisted. In less than two weeks he was done.

00:39:47

I mean he was really done. He was finished.

00:39:50

So I had him out the next day and we began his fifth step.

00:39:54

It took two sessions to get it all done.

00:39:58

Because it was fairly likely. I'm going to do two or three hours at a time because that's all I can do.

00:40:06

He sent him home to do his own amends list, if you will.

00:40:12

Because I'm all in experience, I know that he needs to become willing on his own

00:40:21

to know precisely what he did wrong and what he thinks he can do about it,

00:40:25

and then have a mind open enough to say he may have missed something here.

00:40:30

So he can be open to any feedback the person needs.

00:40:34

We got all that done and he came back and he's got the whole eight step thing written out.

00:40:38

I mean he's really, I wish he would all behave like he did.

00:40:44

And at the top of the list is one he's not really wanting to make.

00:40:48

Not wanting to make. It's going to cost him some money and could even put him in jail if it's not done right.

00:40:54

He's harmed somebody on a house fire deal. I don't want to get in any detail.

00:40:59

But he harmed an agent by making her look bad in front of her boss.

00:41:06

Trying to get some money that really wasn't doing him.

00:41:09

It was one of those things that was in the gray area.

00:41:12

He had a lawyer and he's pissed off because all he's going to get back is a thousand dollars

00:41:17

and it's already costing nine hundred and eighty dollars for the lawyer.

00:41:21

And he just doesn't want to make this one. So I prayed about it.

00:41:26

I said you might as well go home.

00:41:29

Because if you're not wanting to do this one, none of the rest of them are going to make any sense either.

00:41:34

There are other people I would say just pick one and get started and you'll get the power.

00:41:38

But in this case that's what came out.

00:41:41

He said do this. You go home and write a letter just as if you were willing to say what you're going to say to these people.

00:41:50

Then bring it back and let me take a look at it.

00:41:52

In the meantime, pray for some willingness. That's what it says to do in the sixth step.

00:41:59

It took a couple days but he called me up and he read the letter to me.

00:42:08

He had already cut out the things that would make him look like a good guy and just laid it all out.

00:42:13

The agent can't talk to him because he has a lawyer and the insurance agent is not allowed to talk to him.

00:42:18

So he can't make it personally and I keep insisting you hurt her face to face.

00:42:22

You got to see her face to face.

00:42:25

But he's done. He got it all done. He's laid it out on the line. He's fired his lawyer and he's free.

00:42:31

Now the rest of them are going to go shoo.

00:42:34

We're going to have a tiger by the tail.

00:42:37

It's going to shake everybody in Dandere because they've been watching him for years and he's a go out and start over.

00:42:43

Go out and start over. Go out and start over. He is on fire.

00:42:47

I am in love with the way the process works.

00:42:50

All I did was pray at each juncture.

00:42:55

Because that's what I've been told to do here.

00:43:01

The next guy I may say here let me help you with that.

00:43:04

Let me go with you on this one.

00:43:07

You never know so stay open to that.

00:43:09

I try to use the principles not the letter of the law but the spirit of the law.

00:43:15

Because I don't want to kill anybody.

00:43:17

Now I've yammered long enough on this kind of thing. I know these guys have a good deal to say.

00:43:23

We want to push on because we've still got to make some amends.