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You may already have asked yourself why it is that all of us became so very open drinking.

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Doubtless and curious to discover how and why on the face of expert opinion of the contrary,

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we have recovered from a hopeless condition of mind and body.

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There was a time when I used this book to validate my experience.

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I must tell you that today my experience validates this book.

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I have done what they said, the way they said, and had the experience they had.

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I am a member of Alcoholics Anonymous.

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We have recovered from a hopeless state of mind and body.

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It's not even a seemingly hopeless thing anymore.

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He just kind of led you down the path there for a while, give you an out.

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All the way through here, there are outs.

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If you notice that, you can jump off any time until you get to the third step.

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Once you do that, you can't get off, so there are lots of outs between now and then.

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If you are an alcoholic who wants to get over it, you may already be asking, what do I have

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It is the purpose of this book to answer such questions specifically.

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We shall tell you what we have done.

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I have been taught how to sponsor again.

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If you want to know what to do, I can just show you what I have done.

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You don't even have to be smart for that.

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I have to have a reasonable memory and a willingness to embellish whenever necessary.

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Every time I get in the heart of a bunch of big book fanatics, I just assume you all know.

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Many described as the three different kind of drinkers.

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These first 52-some pages are pretty redundant.

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Keep hitting the same information over and over and over because we are slick devils and we

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We are going to look for those of you who are clinically minded.

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Let's take a look at the three kinds of alcoholics.

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There are three kinds of drinkers, not alcoholics.

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Some of our drinkers have a little trouble in giving up liquor entirely if they have

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They can take it or leave it alone.

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If that's what defines it, that's not me.

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I can't take it or leave it alone.

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I can't stop for any kind of good reason.

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I have had many good reasons along the way, meaningless.

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So I'm not a moderate drinker, good.

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Then we have a certain type of hard drinker.

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You may have the habit badly enough to gradually impair him physically and mentally.

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It may cause him to die a few years before his time.

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If a sufficiently strong reason, such as ill health, falling in love, change of environment,

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the warning of a doctor, becomes operative, this man can also stop or moderate, although

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he might find it difficult and troublesome, and may even need medical attention.

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All those and more have been brought to my attention and it didn't do it.

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So I must not be a certain kind of hard drinker.

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It may start off as a moderate drinker.

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Mayor may not become a continuous hard drinker, but at some stage of his drinking career he

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begins to lose all control of his liquor consumption once he starts to drink.

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That's the doctor's opinion put on a different set of words, begins to lose all control

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of his liquor consumption once he starts to drink.

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So if I have that intellectual defense built, that slides me face that you.

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I know it's not you, you know, that's a good thing.

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He made a mistake of asking me for help, and he's going to get it.

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And then I go on to describe it in more detail, but let's keep it simple.

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If that fits you, are you a moderate drinker, are you a hard drinker, or do you lose control

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of your liquor consumption once you start to drink?

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There's nothing to do with drama, circumstance, behavior, nothing.

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I made some other identifications there on page 21.

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That did not describe me in any given day, but along the way I have been, each of those

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things he describes here, and I particularly have a strong memory of the fellow who goes

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to bed so intoxicated he ought to sleep the clock around.

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I can remember a horrible night.

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We drank at the lighthouse bar until about two, and then they closed it, and I wasn't

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finished, and it was a horror on me, because I knew whatever it was I was looking for that

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It wasn't going to happen, and I had to keep drinking, and I was already too drunk.

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So I went home to my chicken coop.

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I had converted a chicken coop into a pretty fine little place to stay.

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I was at that stage of drunkenness where I knew from experience, if I laid down, it would

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trigger the bed, which would spin rapidly and fling me onto the floor, where I would puke

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all over my rug, and I really didn't want to do that.

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I also knew from experience that if I would continue drinking just a little longer, I would

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I would go into a coma, go unconscious, which was far better deal than being flung out of

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my own bed, and I had no choice anyway, so I did.

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Now at that stage of drunkenness, this must have been around three or so.

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The bar closed at two, three, three, three, three.

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I drank myself into a Bolivian.

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I should have slept for a long, long time.

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That's a lot of Saturday, and just shortly after six, I'm up and awake, and I'm looking for

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a drink, because I still need a drink.

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So I have a memory to fit this.

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Somewhere on the way to fit, sir?

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I haven't met a moderate drinking guy who had that happen.

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I love my daughter, my wife is a joy, but she's got compassion for her, she got to have tough.

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Our oldest daughter came home one night, truly, gloriously, bombed, and the only way we knew

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that is we could hear her retching in the bathroom, and Jackie said, help me get her

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I said, don't do that to the child, you're going to put her to bed, and in a couple minutes

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she's going to have to puke again, and she won't make it down the hall.

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You're going to embarrass her, just get her a pill, and put her in the bathroom with her,

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My child retched online, she was 16 or 17, child.

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She likes a little beer now, and a little wine now, and she hasn't done that since.

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Yes, so we have memories we can bring to them.

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We know that while the alcoholic keeps away from the drinking, I'm on page 22 now, Clay.

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Don't want you to miss a word, down to the bottom, it starts with we, you know, I'm sorry,

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I just, the devil gets to me now.

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We know that while the alcoholic keeps away from the drink, as he may do for months or

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years, he reacts much like other men, we're equally positive that once he takes any alcohol

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whatever in his system, something happens both in the bodily and mental sense, which

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makes it virtually impossible for him to start.

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The experience of any alcoholic will abundantly confirm this.

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My friend David, we did battle here.

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He said I went in to have a couple beers.

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I just changed my mind, and we battled until he finally heard what he said, and this helped.

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His mind was changed after a couple beers.

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He didn't change it, his mind was changed.

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So he was right, but that helped to find his alcoholism for you.

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It changes after a couple beers.

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I changed mentally and physically.

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These observations would be academic and pointless if our friend never took the first drink,

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thereby setting the terrible cycle in motion.

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You can't hear me over there.

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Therefore, the main problem of the alcoholic centers in his mind, rather than his body.

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All of this horror we've been talking about will not happen if I don't take the first drink.

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What is it that causes me to take a drink after this has happened more than once?

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My problem centers in my mind.

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If you ask him why I started on the last vendor, the chances are he will offer you any one

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I've got to give you something to get you off my back.

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Here's my little kit of tools.

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Now leave me the hell alone when I try to figure out what's going on here.

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Remorse, promises, I'll never do that again.

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Sometimes excuses have a certain plausibility, but none of them really make sense in the light

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of the havoc an alcoholic's drinking about creates.

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Now I've shared that with my entire family and my boss and other all tense and tired.

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It sounded like the philosophy of the man who having a headache beats himself on the head

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of the hammer so he can't feel the ache.

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Once in a while he may tell the truth.

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And the truth, strange to say, is that usually he has no more idea why he took the first drink

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Why do I need to remember that?

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I get caught up in all the reasons I drank and eliminate those behaviors.

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The main reason I drank is still there.

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So there's no treatment for that either apparently.

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We get a whole bunch of stories here of men who tried treatment all the way to Carl Jung's

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patients and Bill and numerous others, knew everything about their minds and the springs

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I have to laugh at all the shit we have to present.

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I drink as an alcoholic, unless something changes that.

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The tragic truth is that if a man be a real alcoholic, the happy day may not arrive, meaning

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that he'll raise himself and his lethargy and start over.

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At a certain point in the drinking of every alcoholic he passes into a state with the most

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powerful desire to stop drinking is an absolutely no avail.

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Somebody finally understands.

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I really didn't want to do what I just did, and my heart I really didn't.

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The strongest desire to stop drinking is of absolutely no avail after a certain point.

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So in the fellowship we have a desire to stop drinking is the only requirement for membership.

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But a desire to stop drinking will not keep me sober.

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If that's all there is there, it won't keep me sober.

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Somebody finally understands.

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The fact is that most alcoholics for reasons yet obscure have lost the power of choice

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That's the best news I ever got.

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I have lost the power of choice.

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I have no more choice of whether I drink today than I did when I stopped 31 years ago.

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Every time I had the choice, I made the wrong one.

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I don't have any choice anymore.

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Back to my own devices, I will drink again.

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I'm just as sure of that as I am that I'm breathing today.

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Left of my own devices I'll drink again.

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Our so-called willpower becomes practically non-existent.

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We are unable at certain times to bring into our consciousness with sufficient force the

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memory of the self-hearing and humiliation of even a week or a month ago.

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We are without defense against the first drink.

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I can quit fighting this thing.

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I don't have an adequate defense in my mind.

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I can't think my way out of this deal.

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Have you been trying to think your way out of this?

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That would happen to you once?

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Fifty times, that's stark rating, man.

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There's nothing wrong with being stark rating, man.

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I can't talk any louder without yelling.

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Okay, I'll try to remember this.

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I don't have one of these at home.

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The almost certain consequences that follow taking even a glass of beer do not crowd into

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If that's true, then remembering my last drunk is, well, it's a good idea.

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So I can just trash that idea when I hear it.

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Remembering my last drunk may help you get sober, but it won't keep me sober.

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Because at the time I need it, the chances are the information won't show up.

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I've got a filter that's built out of things like it really wasn't that bad.

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Memory has to get through that.

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And then there's a stage where it doesn't bring the relief and you do it anyway.

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I would have said, I remember most of the time, I remember specifically doing this with my

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And I remember knowing that it was just, they were like the last full desk, usually with

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And it was very important that I not go and do my Google account for a friend.

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And I did end up getting, you know, this is supposed to work.

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It was supposed to go more or less the same thing from there.

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I don't remember who thought it would be nice to have a drink.

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I just remember finding myself a drink, you know, and you know, what am I doing here?

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I didn't have to thought of, boy, this bad stuff is going to happen.

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When I started drinking, I was just starting to drink here.

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Well, I should have been noticeable.

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You're described in this book.

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That's the second level of filter right there.

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We have lost the ability to make a choice.

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It comes a point where it goes.

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I've lost the ability to choose.

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And I really don't want it back.

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If these thoughts occur, they're hazy and readily supplanted by the old thread beer idea,

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that this time we shall handle ourselves as other people.

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That one always weirded me out because I picked the kind of people that were just like me.

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The handle themselves the same way.

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There's a complete failure of the kind of defense that keeps one from putting his hand on a hot stove.

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I've got a body that'll kick up if I give it alcohol.

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And a mind that gives it alcohol.

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The alcoholic may say to himself in the most casual way, it won't burn me this time.

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Or perhaps he doesn't think at all.

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How often have some of us begun to drink in this nonchalant way and up to the third or fourth

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pounding on the barn and said to ourselves,

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God said, how did we ever get started again?

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Only to have that thought supplanted by that, well, I'll stop at the sixth drink or my favorite

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Now, let me tell you the effect that it has on the world around us.

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I learned a great deal from that psychiatrist.

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He told me that any competent psychiatrist dealing with alcoholics, particularly in their first six months,

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would almost have to declare them manic depressive.

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Because that's what we look like.

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That's the symptom we present.

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Here's what the system looks like.

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And here's what we do to treat that.

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So I can't be mad at them for that.

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Now I don't say that at home because they just slap me around.

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But if you and I are in a bar together, you're not my ally.

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I mean, there's a whole range I can play with that, particularly drinking.

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You know what that says to me?

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I've already known the truth.

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If I take one and say, what's the use anyhow, I know where it's headed.

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I'm deluding myself that I don't.

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When this sort of thinking is fully established in an individual with alcoholic tendencies,

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he's pussyfooting again, by the way.

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He'll stop doing that pretty soon.

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He's probably placed himself beyond human aid.

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And unless locked up, my dog will permanently insane.

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My great terror was that I would end up in a mental institution and I would be there forever

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because they would catch me during one of my insane times and lock me away.

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And then I would get sober and I would be saying, now I'm in real trouble.

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Because if you're in a mental institution and you tell them you're saying, they keep you.

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It's not until you admit you're nuts that they let you go.

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I already knew about this shift in personalities.

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It's below the level of consciousness, below the level of articulation that are frightened

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because I knew that's when they'd get me.

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And to be locked up with a bunch of crazy people is frightened.

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But I don't be locked up with them.

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And this is kind of doom and gloom stuff.

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If you've got this or doom, there's no treatment for it.

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But beyond human aid, there's nothing we can do.

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Unless locked up may die or go permanently insane.

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It's the best news I've got for you this morning.

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Almost none of us like the self searching, the leveling of pride, the confession of shortcomings

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which the process requires for successful consummation.

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I heard one time in early sobriety at some meeting somewhere that there are no musts in AA.

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Requires kind of sounds like a long form of must to me.

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And I was told very clearly by my sponsors, there's some things you must do if you're going

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Now you don't have to do them.

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If you don't, you're going to die an ugly, ugly death.

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So what is it I'm going to have to do?

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If we're looking toward an experience here, what are we going to have to do?

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Self searching, leveling of pride, confession of shortcomings.

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If I'm going to have this thing go to its full end.

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I've got to tell you that from observing over the years, most of the people we lose, we being

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those of us who take people through the big book, we lose at the eight step.

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Those who make it to permanent sobriety have an experience at the eight step that sets them

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The whole thing is about willingness.

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Now some people will say that I got stuck at the eighth and ninth step.

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You get stuck at the first step.

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It's the only place you ever get stuck.

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The confession of shortcomings is not just the fifth step.

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It includes the eighth and ninth step.

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I've got to come to the people I've harmed and confess my wrong going to them.

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The whole thing becomes a flaw.

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And that's where we lose people.

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Because, I mean somewhere along the way, I missed a signal.

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When you're doing your fourth step and your fifth step.

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When we work together on the sixth and seventh step.

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One of the things I started doing, and I lose fewer people now, by the way.

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When you're ready to take the third step, I send you home.

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It says in the big book to thank Will before taking this step.

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So I send you home to thank Will first.

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Because if you take this step, you're then going to have the power to finish up.

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And if you don't finish up, you're in trouble.

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Because the power will still be there.

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And you just run right over you.

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Once you're on the path, you can't get off.

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It's fun to watch somebody who's decided to ask God for help.

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And if you don't finish up, you're in trouble.

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Because the power will still be there.

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And you just run right over you.

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Once you're on the path, you can't get off.

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It's fun to watch somebody who's decided to ask God for help.

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I could admit my gross wrongs.

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I just didn't measure up here.

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I knew the difference between right and wrong.

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If we wanted to do that, then we can proceed.

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And we had come to believe that the hopelessness and futility of life as we've been living in.

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Nothing I do seems to make me happy or useful or productive.

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Kind of what a wonderful place.

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Don't go to the doctor, please.

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Because the doctor will fix you at that point.

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You will take that feeling away from you.

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And you won't get to finish it.

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You have to go back and do it again someday.

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You get a mean point of time from the main sponsor school.

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You look you right in the eye and say, yeah, I know.

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But you ain't seen nothing yet.

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You don't even learn about suffering here or whatever.

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Just help you right to the edge of the cliff and then kick you off.

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So there's nothing left for us but to pick up the simple,

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kit of spiritual tools later are feeding.

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Important for me as a sponsor to remember, that's the way to do it.

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I do not take out the spiritual tools I have and work them on you.

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I present the same kit of tools that I was given and put them at your feet

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and it's up to you to pick them up and go with.

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There's no autonomous robots here.

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I'll show you how to use that wrench.

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You can't have my experience.

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I can't even share a God with you, but it's sad.

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I can just tell you love my relationship with it,

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but you're going to have to have your own experience.

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That's good because I quit trying to chase his and began looking for more.

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The great fact is just this and nothing less.

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This is Alcoholics Anonymous.

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Nothing less than this is acceptable to me.

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We have had deep and effective spiritual experiences,

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which have revolutionized our whole attitude toward life,

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toward our fellows and toward God's universe.

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The central fact of our lives today is that our Creator has entered into our hearts

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and lives in a way which is indeed miraculous.

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It's a commercial copy to those things for us,

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which we can never do by ourselves.

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That can also be read entered into our hearts and lives.

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Currently, it comes out of me lives because God's very much alive.

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Now, there's a message with depth and weight.

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Anything less than that, and I probably wouldn't have stayed here.

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The very thought of having to fight my alcoholism for the rest of my life

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Deep and effective spiritual experiences.

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I've had spiritual experiences, but they weren't affected because I stole them.

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When God will come alive, that's what they're saying.

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That's what I'm saying to you.

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That's what you say to the people you sponsor.

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Good. It doesn't mean you have to have it this afternoon.

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If you're as serious as the alcoholic as we were,

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we believe there's no middle-of-the-road solution.

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Half measures are available to us, nothing.

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Half measures don't get 50% results.

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You're either drinking or not.

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You're either awake or you're asleep.

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Half measures available. It's nothing.

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Good, because I'm that kind of person anyway.

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If I'm going to go do something, I do it all.

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We were in a position where life was becoming impossible,

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and if we had passed into the region from which there was no return through a human aid,

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One was to go to the better end,

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vlogging out the consciousness of our intolerable situation.

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As best we could in the other two, except spiritually.

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Can you imagine the ego in that?

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I'm completely rock bottomed out,

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and I still have enough arrogance to wonder,

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There's no question that I'm a lunatic.

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Anybody with any kind of disease offered any kind of solution

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wouldn't take ten seconds and say,

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Spiritual help, let me think about that for a while.

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I know I feel bad, but it'll be better tomorrow.

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Because this is a book of great mercy,

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all the way through it are a number of little merciful things.

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There are descriptions of what a spiritual awakening looks like,

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because I'm so self-absorbed, even when I have one,

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I don't know what's happened.

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I wouldn't recognize it if it came by,

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and they come by all the time.

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There are checklists all the way through here.

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If you've done the actions, the way they're presented here,

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and it describes what that looks like

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so you don't think you're going nuts.

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See, every time I have a new awakening,

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the first thought that comes to mind is,

00:37:33

Whatever I was using is gone.

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I'm not familiar yet with the new word.

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So it's described, because it'll scare the hell out of you

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when you've been totally self-absorbed for years

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to suddenly find yourself interested in somebody else.

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It's a scary thing when it first happens.

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And on page 27, Carl Jung describes

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a vital spiritual experience.

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This comes as a result of Rowan Hazard,

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who is the one who essentially 12 stepped in.

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It's been a year with Carl Jung,

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learned everything you could possibly learn

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from the greatest psychiatrist in the world,

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I didn't even get home when he was drunk.

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The doctor says, you have the mind of a chronic alcoholic,

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and I've never seen one single case recover.

00:38:37

Well, that state of mind existed to the extent it doesn't you.

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And I'm reading this at a time when I have gone through this

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and I'm identifying with him all the way.

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The one single case says this is a recovered

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who it exists like it does in you.

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Our friend, Phil, was able to go to hell

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and close it on him with a clang.

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He said to the doctor, is there no exceptions?

00:39:02

Yes, reply to the doctor there is.

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Exceptions to cases such as years have been occurring

00:39:09

Here and there, now and then, once in a while,

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alcoholics have had what are called

00:39:16

To me, these occurrences are phenomenal.

00:39:20

They appear to be in the nature of huge emotional

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displacements and rearrangements.

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Ideas, emotions, and attitudes, which were once the guiding forces

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in the lives of these men, are suddenly cast to one side

00:39:35

and then a completely new set of conception

00:39:37

when motives begin to dominate them.

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In fact, he says I've been trying to produce

00:39:42

some such emotional rearrangement within you.

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With many individuals, the methods I've employed are successful

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but I've never been successful with the alcoholic

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First of all, that's what happened to me when I had

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That's precisely what happened.

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Ideas and conceptions that used to rule my life

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were cast to one side and a whole new set of motives

00:40:09

I had a spiritual experience, which seemed like one.

00:40:14

I've been looking for that forever.

00:40:17

If I'm working with people and we look at this,

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I've got to remember what an order.

00:40:29

I just want to get sober, right?

00:40:33

We're talking about a transformation here.

00:40:35

This sounds like I can't go through with this.

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But that's what'll happen here.

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And that's really what I want anyway.

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A vital spiritual experience.

00:40:59

They do not make you necessarily Mr. and Miss Wonderful.

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Sometimes spiritual people are real pain in the ass.

00:41:08

I'm page 28 to go on and say that if what we've learned

00:41:14

and felt and seen means anything at all,

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it means that all of us, whatever our race,

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creator, color, or the children of a living creator,

00:41:25

with whom we may form a relationship

00:41:27

upon simple and understandable terms,

00:41:30

as soon as we're long and honest enough to try.

00:41:33

Kind of modifies Dr. Young's.

00:41:35

If that's the experience and it jettles down to this,

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What this book promises me is a relationship

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with my creator on simple and understandable terms.

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And that's good, because at the time I needed that,

00:41:52

there wasn't anything left up here.

00:41:54

We had an old timer in Colorado.

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I never, we heard him talk from time in time.

00:42:02

He never said anything but this.

00:42:07

The old bastard was 40 some odd years sober when he died.

00:42:12

Never had any profound stuff to say at all.

00:42:15

So I'm a child of a living creator.

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If you accept that, you know what happens.

00:42:35

What are children supposed to do most of the time?

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And isn't that what we bring with us?

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If we're alive inside, that's what new people see.

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I mean, it's a little scary sometimes.

00:43:05

I'm looking at my first look at how eight people

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were three convicts with numbers on their chest

00:43:10

and their own environment and they had a smile.

00:43:13

And the smile said, we know something you don't know.

00:43:17

If you don't get it first time out, you're probably going to die.

00:43:26

If new people couldn't see the fun of them after, I wouldn't stay.

00:43:31

If I'm coming off the streets and I'm dirty and every third word is a curse word

00:43:38

and I'm confused and I'm unhappy and I'm miserable and I can't work and all those things.

00:43:43

I come to a meeting of what I hear, a curse word, some dirty, uncomfortable people

00:43:48

who can't work and can't get along otherwise.

00:43:51

What the hell would I stay here?

00:43:55

I'm not having anywhere near the hassle.

00:43:57

I really needed to hear people who said you don't have to be this way anymore.

00:44:11

And taught me how to laugh at myself.

00:44:18

I'm not going to get out of it alive anyway.

00:44:26

I can live with that conception.

00:44:32

Am I willing and honest enough to try?

00:44:35

The only thing I brought here was willingness, utter absolute total willingness.

00:44:39

And I believe that is the power of God as it's demonstrated through people.

00:44:45

I was really afraid when we got to reading about kind of honesty that takes.

00:44:52

I was afraid I was one of those people who was constitutionally incapable of being honest.

00:44:57

I made up so many lies that I had begun to believe him and I really didn't know the difference between the true and the false.

00:45:04

And I went to fill with that one.

00:45:09

Because I told him I was afraid I was constitutionally incapable.

00:45:13

He laughed because he knows I'm full of drama.

00:45:17

He said that's probably the first honest statement you've ever made.

00:45:21

But you made it. You're capable.

00:45:29

What do you have with all that?

00:45:40

What's your experience with all that?

00:45:47

Where are you at with what we just read?

00:45:49

What's your experience with the dusting?

00:45:51

Have you had that experience?

00:45:58

Would you like a solution to that?

00:46:16

You think you're going honest enough enough to try?

00:46:26

Everybody was telling me I was hopeless.

00:46:33

And I just laughed at him because I was already going to meetings.

00:46:36

I thought like I already found the answer.

00:46:38

Y'all are sitting there telling me I'm hopeless.

00:46:40

I already found an answer, a solution.

00:46:43

And I didn't say nothing back.

00:46:45

I just looked at him and I laughed.

00:46:49

The first time I was, I felt like I knew something about myself

00:46:52

that they didn't, but they were wrong.

00:46:55

And it was because I already found out about him.

00:47:01

We got some really new people here.

00:47:04

Before I jump on, because I'm getting ready to,

00:47:07

are you okay with what we've done so far?

00:47:11

The physical allergy and the mental obsession.

00:47:15

And the lack of power and the lack of choice.

00:47:18

Because if you get that, the rest of this is easy.

00:47:22

It looks hard, but it's really easy from that point on.

00:47:26

I don't want to leave anybody back on the path.

00:47:42

We'll not be able to stop based on self-knowledge.

00:47:45

That, by the way, is my first tip that the self-searching is coming up.

00:47:49

He's not about finding out who I am.

00:47:52

That's about finding out who I'm not.

00:48:01

On page 43, he wraps this up.

00:48:05

He doesn't do much preaching, but when he does,

00:48:09

At certain times, the alcoholic at certain times has no effective mental defense

00:48:15

Except in a few rare cases, neither he nor any other human being can provide

00:48:21

His defense must come from a higher power.

00:48:27

It's not a question you have to answer if you believe that.

00:48:30

If you don't believe that, then we're going to fool around someone.

00:48:34

And just to be sure, he starts it over again and repeats himself again.

00:48:41

If one you honestly want to, you find you cannot quit entirely.

00:48:45

Or if one drinking you have little control over the amount you take,

00:48:55

And I think he just said that before that.

00:49:00

He tells me something about alcoholics.

00:49:22

If I drink, because I don't have any choice,

00:49:27

knowing full will there will be consequences.

00:49:34

We're not going to find the power.

00:49:36

We had to find a power by which we could live,

00:49:38

and it had to be a power greater than ourselves, obviously.

00:49:41

But weren't how are we to find this power?

00:49:44

That's exactly what this book is about.

00:49:46

Its main object is to enable you to find the power greater than yourself,

00:49:51

And I'm drawn to the fact that it does not have an S at the end of the problem.

00:50:04

It changes the way I'm going to work the steps.

00:50:14

At which point it's time to get a little bit frightened.

00:50:20

We're going to acquire power here,

00:50:24

and where power comes responsibility.

00:50:26

We can take off on a whole tangent on that but we won't.

00:50:32

Let's take a little break and then we'll come back in.

00:50:42

Because what we're going to do is really, really important.

00:50:45

Y'all comfortable at this point?

00:50:48

We're just kind of moving along here.

00:50:51

Ten minutes fifteen, what do you want?