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Goodness. I just tell them in the back there I'm used to looking at your pretty faces before I get up here so I can get tuned into you. I ain't tuned in yet. My name is Don and I'm an alcoholic. And I am a member of Alcoholics Anonymous in good standing tonight. My home group is the Tuesday night Southern Pines Big Book group in Southern Pines, North Carolina.

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And this code is terribly hot. My mother and my sponsor and my wife say I have to wear it to show that I respect you. Do you understand that I respect you? Okay. I really did that so you can see these fine suspenders. Before I ever make a talk in Alcoholics Anonymous, I ask God to fill me with His Holy Spirit and let it flow through me and into the lives of others. I've got to tell you just looking at you. I am truly filled with

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the Spirit of God. So we're going to have a three-hanky talk. I belong to Alcoholics Anonymous. I didn't come looking for you. I didn't know I needed you. And I would never have found you. If you hadn't had some of your emissaries out trolling for people like me. At the time you found me, I was certified by one government agency as Associate Path Type II. And another government agency was

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he said I was a psychopath. And the psychiatrist said that I was a manic depressive drug addict. And the only

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I knew for sure is I really didn't feel good. I think that as a member of Alcoholics Anonymous,

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one of the most important duties that I have, if God puts you in my life, is to help you find

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out what the hell's wrong with you. Are you an alcoholic? I can deal with that one. You can

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be an alcoholic and anything else that I can deal with your alcoholism. I am not an alcoholic

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and a drug addict, although for 14 years I did speed. And acid. That my drug of choice was

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methadrin. But I always had a choice as to whether I used that or not. And with Alcohol

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I have never had a choice and that's what makes me alcoholic. And today in Alcoholics

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Anonymous we have a lot of people coming to us, God bless them. And if we don't help

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them find out what's wrong with them, they stay fragmented. And fragmented people die. And

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we don't care what you are. If you're alcoholic, you belong here. And if you're alcoholic

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I have some really important information for you tonight. The most important thing I've

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ever heard in my life. If you're alcoholic you don't ever have to drink alcohol again,

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ever. You don't ever have to hurt like you've been hurting ever again. I could sit down now.

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I'm not going to. I'm meant to thank the committee too for the pool. I have always wanted to

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have a water walking after one of my talks. Rebstock said he'd go first. I have some concerns

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about Alcoholics Anonymous today. I've been here long enough to have some opinions and

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some concerns. One of my concerns has to do with the way we are tending to ritualize

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some of the important information in Alcoholics Anonymous. I love the promises. But I work

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in a prison system in North Carolina and quite often I hear them just read as if you showed

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up here tonight this is what's going to happen to you and that's just not true. For me the

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promises of Alcoholics Anonymous began in the first two sentences of the first forward

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to the first edition of our first book. If you're new please hear this. This isn't me. We are

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more than a hundred Alcoholics men and women who have recovered from a seemingly hopeless

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state of mind and body. That's a promise. I am not cured of alcoholism but I stand before

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you tonight to recover to Alcoholic. I'm one of we. I no longer suffer from alcoholism.

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I still have it. But I don't suffer from it. And you don't have to either. If you're new

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here please understand you don't have to stay sick forever. Please. And then they give

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me my life work to show others precisely how we've recovered. That's our purpose. God

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that's easy. I don't even have to be smart. All I have to do is be able to remember what

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I was like. What happened to me and what I'm like today and share that with you in love

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and that's all I'm going to do tonight is just share that with you in love. Before I

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met Alcohol I desperately needed to be changed. I can remember laying in bed 13 years old

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crying wondering when my people were going to get back from Mars and pick me up. Because

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I certainly didn't feel like a human being. And I didn't think like one and I didn't feel

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like one. I didn't act like one. And I hurt. And when you hurt like that there's only one

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thing you can do. I got really pissed. I know about outrage. When you don't fit you become

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outraged. And I spend a good part of my life outraged. I learned to lie very young

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because I tended to do bizarre things. If you ever get bizarre just for the sake of

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getting bizarre. And people would ask me why did you do that? And I learned early on

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don't tell them the truth. I would tell them the truth. I'd say I don't know. And they

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would say well you must know you did it. And I began to understand that people needed some

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kind of an answer. And I have a whole trick bag full of answers if you're not through drinking

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and I'll let you have them for nothing. Things are guaranteed to get everybody off your

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back for a while. I learned early on while I was trying to figure out who was home because

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it was getting crowded here before I ever met alcohol. I was beginning to become everyone

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I'd ever met or read about. And I learned real early on while I'm trying to figure out

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who's here and you start bothering me and distracting me how to keep you back. Throw

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a mood swing. Give them a little manic depressive. Be unpredictable. You have to be careful

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and very good at it. If you're not good enough they just lock you away somewhere. And if you're

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too good they invite you to parties. And I was frightened. I've known from the time I

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was a tiniest child that in and of myself I don't have what it takes. Let there be light.

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I knew from the time I was the smallest child that if I did something right today it was

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dumb luck. And I also knew that tomorrow morning first thing you're going to ask me to do it

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all over again. And I don't know how I did it the first time. And I began to discover

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that failure is a hell of a lot easier to live with in the United States than success

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is. People really are kind. Every time I failed they would help me up. In fact the greatest

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damage I did to the people that I love the most was that I kept getting up. And off the

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line I'm really good. Before I came to Alcoholics Anonymous I was a sprinter in the game of

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life. Not a long distance writer but a sprinter. If you put me in a new situation, new job,

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new wife, new whatever. I learned very quickly what's expected of me and I produce it because

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I really need your acceptance. And we both think oh look isn't that nice. He's going to

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do fine this time. And then you get distracted and then I get distracted or lose interest

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and I drink and I go away. I come from a family of musicians. In fact my brother is a professor

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of music at the University of Colorado. I'm so proud of him I could bust. He was riding

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with Stan Kent when he was 19 years old. He writes a symphony every year just for the

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heck of it. He just came back from Holland where they took him because he's a synthesizer

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musician the foremost in the United States. Highly successful man. You know he lived right

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down the hall for me when we were growing up. Kind of got a clue that maybe more I grew

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up had nothing to do with why I'm an alcoholic. I came to Alcoholic Mess and I started drinking

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because where I come from in East Colfax in Denver. One of the rights of passage is that

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you get a guy from an already field to buy a bottle of whiskey. And we take it out east

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of Denver and get drunk and have fun. The big guy said get drunk and have fun like it

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was one word. Always gave him a little fun. And we did that. We got some bonded bourbon

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and one out east of Denver. I don't know whether that was 15 or 16. Whatever it was.

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I was little and I was stupid and I was ugly and I was angry and I was frightened. Big ward

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on the end of my nose. I knew that if anything happened tonight I was going to get blamed

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for it. And I had a couple of drinks and bonded bourbon. Wonderful thing happened. I can tell

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you all the stuff you know like getting taller and broader and all that. What I really remember

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about that night is that for the first time in my memory I had some plans. I had what

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Dr. Carl Jung describes in our book Alcoholics Anonymous as a spiritual awakening. Ideas

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and concepts and emotions that used to govern the lives of these men are suddenly cast

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to one side and a whole new set of conceptions begins to dominate them. That's how he describes

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a spiritual awakening and that's what I had. He promises us a new mind. The first time

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I drank bonded bourbon I got a brand new mind. I had plans. Good plans for a 17 year old kid

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real good plan. There was a guy in my class who hadn't been treating us very well and

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I was going to meet him back at the drive in later that evening and whip him. And I could

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have done it too. And there was an old girl in my class who hadn't been treating us at

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all and she and I were going to have a visit and I could have visited with her. And God

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willing will visit about visiting tonight because I think one of the most important things

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in recovery one of the greatest gifts I've been given is the ability to visit with folks.

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Well what happened to me was so good that if that's all that had happened to me I'd

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buy everybody here drink tonight. It's not a bad deal what happened to me put me in the

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heart of life. Gave me some clarity of thought. In fact it was so good I had several more

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ideas it's in my nature that if one works you take ten. Anything worth doing is worth

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abusing. So by the time I got back to the drive in with the people I was going to impress

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saw instead of me whipping the bully and visiting with a girl they all got to see my partners

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hauling me around by the elbows while I puked in the driveway. I nearly died from acute

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alcohol poisoning that night. I tried too much whiskey. And my keen alcoholic mind immediately

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zeroed in on what caused that. Bonded bourbon. And I have not to this day had any more bonded

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bourbon. I still haven't made you sick. I'm convinced if that's all there was I'd have

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had it but I had plenty of everything. I quickly learned what wouldn't do that to me. When

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I began to go through the book Alcoholics Anonymous and they described us as people

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who drank for effect. I could identify with that. If we were going to fight I drank vodka.

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Because when I drank vodka I get mean. And if you're going to fight she might as well

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be mean. If we were cruising for girls that night and it was a half way decent chance

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of meeting some I drank dark Bacardi rum. It makes me sensitive and warm. I can remember

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early in my drinking time the horror of not being able to feel anything. When there weren't

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any emotions at all. And I found that if I drank Coors beer and listened to Jim Reeves

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and Ferlin Husky singing things like four walls I could just cry like a baby. It was those

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good tears. With Red Morgan David wine I'm a poet and I paint. I'm an artist. It had

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a little speed to that and I can play the trumpet. I'm inclined to think that I was becoming

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somewhat obsessed with alcohol real early. I went to my first federal penitentiary when

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I was 19 years old. Not because I'm a big time gangster. I've been in three penitentiaries

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and I'm not a big time gangster. They don't even get to one. No. But in 19 hours of my

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first one in Japan. Because of alcohol. And I wondered at the time that happened. Why

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did I do this? What's wrong with me? This is what I had mine. I would join the Navy

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and I was going to be a career sailor. Save the world from a communist menace and become

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a hero and come back to Denver a hero. God I want it to be somebody's hero so badly. And

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here I'm in a penitentiary. And I didn't know until you found me why that happened to me.

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It's in the book Alcoholics Anonymous in a section written by our lovely Dr. Silkware.

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He describes men he'd been working with who'd been working on a business deal that would

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be subtle favorably to them and dare to before their appointment they had a drink and they

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missed their appointment and there I was. That's me. I had a drink in Long Beach, California

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on a 24 hour liberty. And 23 days later when I got back to my ship it wasn't there anymore.

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See when I drink alcohol I get lost and I can't find my way home and when you're in the Navy

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that's a felony. So at 19 years of age I'd been through my first prison experience and

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failed utterly and completely and hit absolute rock bottom. I do not believe that the bottom

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I hit December 25th in 1967 was any deeper than the one I hit when I was 19. Bottom for

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me are those moments when I wake up and know clearly what I have in mind for my life is

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not going to happen now. The dreams are dead. The plans are dead. We got to start over. I'm

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so god awful tired of starting over. My dad says one of the worst things I did to him

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is that I learned how to abandon things real early and he helped me set up another new

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place to live and a few months later the landlord had called him and say can you come

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by and get this boy's things. He's gone. Let me get on about the business of hand. See

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I'm already frustrated. I have been walking hand in hand with the power of God since December

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26th of 1967 and that means every day I have had monumental experiences and I want to tell

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you about every one of them and you give me an hour. I'm going to take 70 minutes probably.

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I got sober because I ran out of lives not because I ran into the truth and I must tell

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you the truth. Alcoholics Anonymous did not get me sober. God gave me back my life as

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a free clear gift. December 26th 1967 and five months later brought me to you so that

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gift could take on some meaning and some dimension and some purpose because what happened to

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me that day is I hit the absolute bottom of all human pain. I had become completely useless

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and I knew it. I looked at the remaining lives of my life and there weren't many. I was on

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federal parole at the time for a little mistake I'd made in 1966. I weighed 133 pounds because

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I hadn't been able to get out of bed for some time until this young kid 16 years old that

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I'd recruited came in and gave me a shot of speed so I could get up and go steal something

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and buy some booze and go back bed. I had two little boys with me because their mother

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had abandoned ships several years before and for the last four years those kids and I had

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been running the street. We were a single parent homeless family before it even became

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fashionable. I would have told you and believed it truly that we were okay. We had a place

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to live and it was clean and we had clothes and we had food and we were intact as a family

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and somehow that day I began to see the lie in that we weren't a family. We just lived

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together because I was alone and so were those two little boys living in the same house

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and it was a pig pin and the food we got we got from aid to dependent children and the

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check hadn't gotten her yet. Food we were eating that day is what I'd been able to steal

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the day before and I began to see the lie. Now I must tell you all that I come from a

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functional home. I'm sorry but I do. It doesn't mean we didn't have problems in my family but

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my family always faced them. My folks are still alive. They still live in the same

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house. They still talk to each other. They still have spirit. My mother is 85 now. Went

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into the hospital last week for a hip replacement. She figured she's got 10 or 15 more years and

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she's tired of hobbling around. So she's got a new hip. She's up feisty and they didn't

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want her to lay down. She wants to go home. My family faced every problem that came along.

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I told you about my brother. My sister just graduated or just a while back retired from IBM.

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She was one of their top executives. She made good money and great babies and her babies

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have been making great babies. They have not been able to find good husbands to go with them.

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We just got another one about three weeks ago. But in my family the attitude when the one

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of those babies shows up is, oh look there's another new little prince baby. Let's raise

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it. That's where I come from. So I know what Christmas is supposed to look like. Where I

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grew up Christmas was a marvelous thing. They brought a real tree in from out there in a

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cold and it smelled good and they decorated with lights and tinsel and little packages begin

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appearing under it. But the most important, oh God the house smell good, cider with cinnamon in it,

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hot chocolate with marshmallows and they weren't them sissy things. These were the kind you had to

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go suck them off the top where you could get to the chocolate. But where I grew up the most

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important thing that happened Christmas was that people came by and visited with my parents,

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streams of people. I was there last Christmas. It hadn't stopped. We sat there for a couple

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hours and people came in and out and visited. Christmas of 1967 nobody came to my house.

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Even my parole officer made me come see him. He couldn't stand it. And we didn't have a tree.

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The welfare check hadn't gotten there and so we didn't have any money so we didn't have a tree.

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But it's in my nature to be restless, irritable, and discontent. So we took a walk on the 24th,

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found a dollar in a snow, went to the tree shop and found out they'll see you the biggest tree on

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the lot for a buck on the 24th. That's what we bought, the biggest tree on the lot.

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Our little ceiling was about seven feet tall and our tree was about nine feet tall so it

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killed it and I still pictured that. And we dressed it with stuff and cut up some cardboard and

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crinklesome aluminum foil and I started dying because I knew this isn't right. One of the

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things I've had to face in my sobriety is while I lost the ability to differentiate the truth

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from the false I've never lost the knowledge of right and wrong. We alcoholics don't have

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no conscience. We have too much conscience and it just eats us alive. And I knew this was wrong.

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And the little presents that were under there, I managed with my glib tongue to talk the fellow

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in the public merchandise marred on East Colfax and Denver. Talked them out of a pair of cowboy

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boots and little cowboy shirts so each of my boys would have one gift each. This was on credit.

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My kids wrapped up everything in the house that would fit in blue paper towel so that I'd have a

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good Christmas and it just fell apart. On Christmas day, I think, God, the last of the lives went.

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We went down to my folks' place to spend the day with grandma and grandpa. Never occurred to me.

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When we got there, my dad met us at the door and he said, Don, I'm sorry. Your mother said,

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I can't let you in here anymore. She can't stand watching you die. I weighed 133 pounds in my eyes

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hung out and my cheeks were sunken in and she knew I was dying. I want them to lie as when.

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I would have told you that day and met it. Just leave me alone. I'm not hurting anybody but me.

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Clearly, I could see that day who I was hurting. Everybody I ever touched got hurt,

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particularly my people, my children, my folks. It was clear. And then, dad, God bless him,

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he destroyed my last lie because he snuck us in into the basement. And I'd have told you that day

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nobody cares. Nobody loves us. And he did. And I didn't have any lies left. I went home with

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some self-pity. A lot of self-pity. And then I was able to step into the lie of truth. And the

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truth was that day there was no reason for me to be here. Absolutely useless. Everybody I could

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think of would be better off if I was gone. And nobody can live with that. And I couldn't live

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with that. And I had nothing left to surrender to. That's the point of departuring. You have to

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surrender. There's nothing to surrender to. I tried everything. I've got, I've been in and out of a

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lot of different churches. I was in Dianetics in 1953 when L. Ron Hubbard was still at the helm.

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He was my kind of people. A science fiction writer who believed his own stuff.

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They introduced us to methamphetamine hydrochloride so we could become uninhibited and talk freely.

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I laughed at it. It worked. My last psychiatrist was smoking marijuana three weeks after we started

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meeting. That was one of my trades. That was a marijuana salesman. There was nothing left to

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surrender to. So I did the only thing I could do. I quit. I knew that the kids would be better off

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without me and everybody would be better off without me. And I took a two-month supply of the

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speed I was using and put it up my arm and drank everything in a house and laid down and died.

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And I truly believe I died. I've never been the same. I've never had a drink nor desire for one.

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I've never had a pill and a desire for one. I woke up with a brand new mind and I hurt like hell.

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The police were at the door. It woke me up and I knew I wasn't dead.

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But I was in a wonderful position. I couldn't have described it to you then but I can tell you

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about it now. I was a complete failure at living and I had just become a complete failure at dying.

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I'm walking around in a body that won't die carrying with it a mind that won't work

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and I got to have an answer. I was truly willing that day as I am today to go anywhere anyone said

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and do anything anyone said if it meant I didn't have to be me anymore. I came to alcohol

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meeting to be changed and I came to you needing to be changed. And they drug me away. They had

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nine charges and the first one called for three years to life plus the five that I owned the feds

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and the other eight the D said I'll bring them one at a time if you beat this one but you're through.

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I don't care. Laid in that Denver County jail for a little over five months detoxing.

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I don't want to ever forget that. Six weeks of leg cramps and pains and headaches and

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twitches and discomfort of various kinds and I don't want to remember that to keep sober. I don't

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believe they'll keep me sober. I've got those kind of memories that come before that and they didn't

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keep me sober. What it does is make me a pretty good sponsor. You can come to me in your fifth week

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of leg cramps, twitching, throwing up itchy scalp eyes falling out and I can look you right in the

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eye and tell you from my own experience you're really not going to die yet. I know you want to

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but hang on you ain't going to die yet and if you want those smart asses I'm not that kind. I'll

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just say don't wind up me not till you've been at this six weeks. I love you enough to tell you the

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truth. You will not die from this. You will die from the medicine that will relieve this.

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Well the power of God went to work in my life before I ever heard the name. I find it interesting

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that our book doesn't say you have to believe in God but it says if you want to recover you will

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be required to believe in the power of God. However you can see this. I came to trial and the Denver

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district attorney said we've been talking with the federal judge and the federal parole officer

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and we've all kind of concluded you're really sick. No argument from me. I said we think you need help

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and the federal people have agreed that if you'll plead guilty to a little charge we have here

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to skip and we'll skip the trial we'll give you a one and a half to three-year sentence

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suspended and give you back to the federal people and they'll take you to Fort Worth, Texas

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and fix what's wrong with you. See I was an associate past, psychopath,

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a manic depressive drug addict. That's what they fixed down here. I said sure what do I sign?

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I'm not an idiot. I'm a drunk. I signed it. They kept their word, gave me one and a half to three,

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suspended it, gave me back to the federal people and five days later I was in the Colorado State Penitentiary

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by the grace of a loving God. Had I gotten to that hospital, had I been able to manage to get

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locked up in the place I want it to be, I'd have been on the street in six months.

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If you put me in a hospital with doctors and books, I'm home free. They would tell me what's wrong with

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me. They would tell me about how long it's going to take to fix that up and they would give me a

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long list of symptoms I'd have to show them to convince them I was getting better. That's my best

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game but I had met the one and only requirement for stepping on to any spiritual path and that

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includes this one. I had truly surrendered and so I was taken to the face tank of the Colorado State

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Penitentiary and I actually heard myself say Joe you can't do this to me. My last stupid statement

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and that's where you found me and you came looking for me in the form of three convicts with numbers

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on their chest. Convicts in their own environment, in their own clothes, are a little bit intimidating.

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Smiling convicts are frightening. These three monkeys were standing there smiling like they

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knew something we didn't know and if we didn't find it out quick we were probably going to die

00:33:06

and the first one got up and he said my name's Doc and I'm an alcoholic and that means that I am

00:33:11

powerless over alcohol and guards and drugs and all of the other circumstances in my life.

00:33:18

And my life has become unmanageable and if any of you smart bastards think you can still manage

00:33:23

your lives look at the reward the state just gave you for the nifty job you've been doing and the

00:33:31

great miracle of my life took place. I heard him. I believe if you're here

00:33:42

that we all get a little grace period when you walk in the doors you don't have to do anything

00:33:48

you got a little grace period it lasts just about as long as how sick you are

00:33:53

and when it's over you better have something going and all I had to do all I had to do was listen

00:34:02

and I think God has a marvelous sense of humor. He has made me a listener and you ask me to talk

00:34:10

all the time and I think that's funny but I was listening that day they gave us the truth these

00:34:20

people didn't care whether our feelings got hurt or not because they knew our lives were on the line

00:34:27

one of them said you know your very best thinking got you to the penitentiary you're not doing too

00:34:31

good are you well there's where I was and I promise you I've been doing my best and that's where I was

00:34:40

but then he did what happens here in Alcoholics Anonymous

00:34:45

he said but we can show you a new way of thinking the people they have taught me something very

00:34:51

important truth without love is cruelty and confrontation without a real answer is brutality

00:35:01

but if you love me and you have a real answer have at me and they did we had to go through a 12

00:35:16

step study school before we could become part of the main A group it met on Friday night and they

00:35:22

let real people in from the outside to our meeting I really wanted to go to that because

00:35:28

see I wasn't afraid of the penitentiary you learned to live there like anywhere else

00:35:32

what had me frightened at that time was that I knew then sometime between the next year and a half

00:35:37

in six or seven years they're gonna put me back on the streets of Denver and I don't have a clue

00:35:42

as to how to live out there I've already proven that I need to learn something else and I knew

00:35:48

that the convicts that I was hanging out with whatever else they said they didn't know how to live

00:35:51

for either they'd already proven that too so I really needed who had never been to a penitentiary

00:35:59

they would command and tell us how to live and we couldn't go for five weeks every Saturday

00:36:05

afternoon every Sunday afternoon we gave up our yard privileges our visitors and our movies

00:36:10

and went up for three three and a half hours to the school where they hand carried us through

00:36:14

the book Alcoholics Anonymous first thing they said when we showed up was you know guys for the

00:36:22

next five weeks have nothing to say if you knew anything at all you wouldn't be here

00:36:29

and new people have to talk to you know we got to do that in the dishroom we all work in the dishroom

00:36:36

and we babble at each other and they talk with us outside the meeting but during the meeting time

00:36:41

we listen they told me what was wrong with me I have a disease it has recognizable describable

00:36:48

symptoms I'm allergic to alcohol now if I were allergic to tomatoes night tomatoes I'd break

00:36:57

out with an itch my allergies alcohol if I drank alcohol I'd break out with an itch for

00:37:03

other drink alcohol it's clear what's wrong that's why I went to the penitentiary I had a

00:37:09

drink in Long Beach and 23 days later I stopped drinking and because the madness was gone on that

00:37:14

first during that 22 days I could not stop I could not go back to that ship I had a different mind

00:37:21

day 23 I turned myself in it was over there's no treatment for that

00:37:29

my favorite word today in the big book came out the other night in the workshop Bobby

00:37:34

he's doomed I'm an alcoholic I'm doomed there's nothing you can do for the physical disease that

00:37:44

I've got it's going on in me right now if I take a drink of alcohol tonight I'm convinced I might

00:37:50

never have quit and I'm watching people with 15 20 25 years of sobriety die these days because

00:37:57

they're taking a drink and they don't get back it's like they had never quit I don't want to be one

00:38:02

of them but as long as I don't drink alcohol that never happens to me I don't go crazy

00:38:12

I don't do crazy stuff that I do on alcohol I still do crazy stuff because why not I like going to

00:38:20

parties now so what's really wrong with me well the main problem of the alcoholic centers in the

00:38:32

mind and my sponsors made it very clear you can't use the problem to solve the problem

00:38:43

I'm warped up here I can't use my mind to solve my mental problem there's too many pieces missing

00:38:51

my neighbor has one of them I know that well you know I until I moved to North Carolina we've

00:38:58

lived in the same house for 17 years and when that happens you either start talking with your

00:39:03

neighbors or they start talking about you and I want to be a good citizen I really do so I've

00:39:10

learned to visit the first thing required about visiting is that you learn to small talk I'm an

00:39:17

alcoholic I don't have a clue as to how to small talk life is earnest and real and filled with

00:39:23

passion we have to get down to the nitty gritty now but I've learned I'm hell I'm up to five six

00:39:30

minutes now then we're going to talk about alcoholism and God may because I don't know about anything

00:39:37

else one day he and I were visiting and he ran me out of small talk and I started sharing with him

00:39:44

not like I would you I'd scare him to death if I told him what I'd tell you but I shared a

00:39:49

little about alcoholism with him and he was interested he owns a bar turns out he and I have a common

00:39:54

experience I shared how I drank and then he said you know I did that one night I drank too much

00:40:02

whiskey and I got drunk and I fell down and I threw up I haven't done that since strange man

00:40:15

well he's got his little piece in his mind so he can remember how badly he felt and it attaches

00:40:20

to a piece in his mind that says well then don't do that again I can remember how badly I felt and

00:40:27

how badly I felt and how badly I felt because it doesn't attach to anything in my mind oh early on

00:40:34

I did it was bonded bourbon we got sick because it was bad chili you know I'm absolutely convinced

00:40:48

that there have been times in the past and will be times in the future when everything I know about

00:40:53

alcoholism about alcoholics anonymous and about God in my head won't be there I need protective

00:41:03

from those strange mental blank spots you can either come warped or won't come at all

00:41:08

so I can't learn enough about a if you came to study it good luck I am convinced by the way

00:41:16

that those of us who have been sober for a while are in far greater danger from the truth than we

00:41:21

are from the lives had an experience a while back that brought that home to me it would be really

00:41:28

hard for you to come up with enough lies to convince me today that it's all right for me to take a

00:41:33

drink but one night about three years or so ago I was on an airplane headed back from one of these

00:41:40

deals and because I fly so much united airlines every now and then gives me a little certificate

00:41:45

that if it's available I can move into first class I wouldn't pay for it but it's better than

00:41:50

coach and it was a night flight it was nice the lights were on I had the reading light on my book

00:41:57

and first class is kind of nice you know they they laid real tableclaws out there on the train you

00:42:04

get real silverware no plastic it's real food no plastic and I'm reading and they're serving the

00:42:12

belt fella next to me and this lady poured into his glass the prettiest deepest maroon stuff I've

00:42:20

ever seen and the light hit it just right and I caught it with my eye and I looked and my mind

00:42:26

said that really looks good and that was the truth it did I don't think about cracking that really

00:42:33

looked good and then my mind said I bet that would really taste good too that was the truth

00:42:43

it really would that's why she gave it to him then my mind said I bet that'll make his whole dinner

00:42:50

taste better of course it would and suddenly a prayer began within me I did not start to pray

00:42:59

a prayer began within me and I've learned when that happens to pay close attention I'm in far

00:43:06

deeper trouble than I thought I was and I paid attention to the prayer and I realized that my

00:43:13

next thought would have been maybe I ought to have one of those I am four thoughts away from a drink

00:43:22

in fit spiritual condition but by the grace of God and because I trust in that I'm safe and protected

00:43:33

if I will pay attention and listen that's why I become a listener you see God never yells at me

00:43:40

it's always a very very quiet voice and I must have a quiet mind or all messes

00:43:46

well you know what happened I went back to my book then I looked over one more time at that

00:43:52

good looking red stuff and then I joined in the prayer and the deal was over and I was

00:44:00

convinced in the beginning that's what I must have I am totally absolutely utterly powerless over alcohol

00:44:07

and there's nothing I can learn that will ever ever change that thank God the battle's over

00:44:13

I have to fight anymore goodness but I came to be changed not sobered up took me while to

00:44:24

understand I needed a sobriety but my sponsors had been changed all three of them and I knew

00:44:30

they had I pay attention I'm a spiritual skeptic I was a cynic back then but a spiritual skeptic what

00:44:41

I mean new people is I'll believe absolutely anything you tell me and then I'll go check it

00:44:46

in the big book and if I can't figure that it fits there I'm not going to do it good luck

00:44:52

and I watched these three guys one of my sponsors had killed a couple people in a shootout one morning

00:44:57

in a drunken rage and as he told me the story it was clear to me this man could not do that

00:45:05

he couldn't he's talking about somebody else and I asked him about it he said that's right

00:45:12

I've been changed and God changed me and the other one was a stick-up man who couldn't do that I'd

00:45:18

listen to the story and I knew he couldn't do that either same story how changed and God changed me

00:45:25

an old Phil Gutierrez God I love Phil Phil came to us from Guam bad looking Ruby knows there's

00:45:33

a certain Oriental face that you just look at you know that's a pirate and Phil was one of them

00:45:39

and when he smiled he was really menacing when Phil drank well last time he drank he'd thrown

00:45:47

some people out of a three-story window he was a very violent individual

00:45:52

Phil's the one that taught me to touch in a penitentiary where that's kind of risky

00:45:59

but Phil knew something about us no one ever questioned Phil's touching if you get close to me you're

00:46:04

going to get touched because I've learned something here that we're all puppies we're healers that's

00:46:22

who we are we're not doctors we're not smart we're not therapists we're healers and since I've

00:46:29

come to know that I want to be a good one because people come into our lives and their lives are on

00:46:35

the line and we have said to them you come to us you'll be all right we better not be lying

00:46:43

and so wanting to be a good healer I've looked around my world at the healers my wife is a healer

00:46:51

she's a nurse on an infant research unit one of the important things about helping someone heal is

00:47:16

that you'd be able to tell them what's wrong with them that it's going to be all right she works

00:47:21

with babies and they don't understand English so I watch what she does with her she picks them up

00:47:28

and starts patting on them and then understanding English or not she says you're going to be all

00:47:34

right you're in the right place you're gonna be fine and she walks around with them and I get

00:47:41

to thinking well let's see how what do we do when people come to us I don't know about you but I find

00:47:47

very few alcoholics that can understand English and they come to us and we just get all over them

00:47:57

we shake their hands and put our hands on them and we say things like oh you're gonna be all right

00:48:02

you're in the right place you're gonna be fine so that's what I start doing I got thinking one

00:48:10

time about the great healer he'd walk along the roads of his country and he'd come on someone who

00:48:17

was sitting there blind and crippled and covered with sores and alone and he knew something that you

00:48:29

and I know that person thought that they were alone because they were blind and crippled and had

00:48:35

sores he knew that they had sores and were crippled and blind because they thought they were alone

00:48:42

and he just reached out and touched him you know what happens when you touch someone whether they

00:48:47

like it or not they can't be alone there's somebody else in the room and he'd say to them

00:48:53

hey is anybody home he said huh but they didn't know anybody was there

00:49:01

and if they'd acknowledge that he'd qualify him a little bit he'd say something like this

00:49:07

you don't have to do this anymore you don't have to stay sick not anymore

00:49:14

let me see if they'd say was that right you see that's right would you like to get up he'd say

00:49:21

and if they'd say yes he'd give them the magic words oh okay get up kind of get up what do we do

00:49:32

they come to us and we say you don't have to do this anymore now they could believe him because

00:49:39

he spoke with such conviction that you could hear it in their voices I am an alcoholic and if

00:49:46

you're new here I want you to know something if you're an alcoholic you don't ever have to drink

00:49:51

again ever and I believe that because I don't need to do these people and then we say to them

00:50:09

do you want to quit the book I read says I'm supposed to ask that question pretty specifically

00:50:16

and if they say no I'm supposed to say well good luck and go find another one but if they say yes

00:50:23

I'm gonna say to them oh okay don't drink oh magic words Carl asked me on the way down

00:50:36

what is the secret of sobriety don't drink alcohol that's who we are we're the heaters

00:50:48

isn't it wonderful to be a healer my god I get to spend I spent my early two years my first two years

00:50:54

cataloging all the growth and changes in me they were so exciting

00:50:58

I was coming back to life any new child will begin to become self-centered about oh see me

00:51:07

in these past few years my great joy is to watch the moon of ticks that god sends me

00:51:13

as they begin to heal well they showed me how to do inventory after they showed me how to

00:51:21

get my mind straight I've had a series of spiritual awakenings here and if you're new

00:51:29

that's an easy thing to grasp a spiritual awakening from alcoholic is anytime any alcoholic anywhere

00:51:35

understands any part of the truth that's a spiritual awakening

00:51:43

I came to believe in this power by watching it walk around and I wanted what they had

00:51:50

and I was told about that third step prayer offer myself to God and I went back to myself and

00:51:56

had the worst experience of my entire life because I said the prayer waited for the flash

00:52:04

of light waited for the cell door to spring open for them to call me and send me home

00:52:10

and absolutely nothing happened and I'm alcoholic if that ceiling caves into the pool

00:52:17

I'll keep talking and you'll keep listening that ain't gonna bother us that's a lightweight crisis

00:52:22

I can handle that but nothing happened and I can't handle that so I did what I'd been taught I went

00:52:28

back and bitched at my sponsor I went back to Bruce with the alcoholic war cry ringing from my lips

00:52:37

I'm gonna give it to you so that anytime you hear yourself say this you'll know it's time to call

00:52:42

your sponsor where's mine where's mine now I've told you that if your alcoholic your mind is

00:52:56

already figured away around that so let me give you the backup that's not enough

00:53:05

want more that can't be mine it's not big enough that can't be mine it's the wrong color

00:53:13

I'm gonna recognize it the hell of it is that half the time when I'm screaming out where's mine

00:53:18

I'm sitting in the middle of it so I went and complained and my sponsor destroyed all of my

00:53:28

concepts of God he did not give me new ones he destroyed my old ones they all had to do with Santa

00:53:33

Claus what's he going to do for me I'm here today because I learned to say what can I do for you

00:53:46

I still want mine but I have learned by watching you that the best way to get mine is to help

00:53:53

you get yours first mine just seems to come along with it I didn't know that then though

00:54:00

we found one last reservation in my sick mind I was truly convinced at that time if I gave my

00:54:06

life over the care of God entirely but he'd put me on the corner of Colfax in Broadway in Denver

00:54:11

handing out watchtower magazines and asking strangers have you been saved brother

00:54:18

from my plush apartment in the car our state penitentiary I just couldn't see me doing that

00:54:23

and my sponsor said sponsor words if you're new here listen for these you're in trouble

00:54:35

he said let's talk about that now that does not mean let us talk about that he said down to you

00:54:44

suppose that the guy that's handing out watchtower is today at Colfax in Broadway had breakfast where

00:54:49

he wanted to and I said probably and he said you didn't do you suppose that that guy that's making

00:54:56

a fool himself down there today he's wearing clothes that he picked out to do it in I said

00:55:00

probably and he said you're not do you suppose when he's all through humiliating himself that he gets

00:55:07

to go home I didn't we are promised a new mind and by loving sponsorship I was hand carried into

00:55:21

mine and the foundation was set for me anything at all that God may have in mind for me is better

00:55:30

than anything at all that I will ever have in mind for me period and then my last bit of noble ego

00:55:37

showed up when I told him okay I'm wanting to go down and hand out watchtower he smiled he said

00:55:44

oh well God there I got a guy downer doing that he's need you somewhere else and the hand carried

00:55:52

me through the inventory the house cleaning process I know this is just an observation of mine but

00:55:58

let me suggest as you approach this part of the of our recovery process people get frightened in

00:56:07

spiritual terms the word amen is a closure it means we have finished with this part there is no amen

00:56:13

at the end of the third step prayer do you ever notice that but there is one at the end of the

00:56:17

seventh step prayer which looks to me like the third step prayer with teeth in it and I have

00:56:25

concluded and practiced with the people I sponsor that everything from the word God at the beginning

00:56:30

of the third step prayer to the amen at the end of the seventh step is all part of the same prayer

00:56:36

prayer becomes activity in action at this point and all through there I'm given a whole series of

00:56:42

other prayers to use so that I can get the metal change I need to become willing to go straighten

00:56:48

up my past I got free locked up for the night in the Colorado State Penitentiary my sponsors

00:57:00

had told me that what he wanted me to do was to make a list of all the people I had ever harmed

00:57:06

and we started with the people on my inventory including the federal agents that nearly killed my

00:57:10

son in a narcotics raid so I harmed that man I put him in a position where he almost killed a

00:57:18

four-year-old kid that's great harm to his spirit I still don't like what he did but I brought him

00:57:27

there what the hell he said Don we know what you did to these people but you are so insensitive

00:57:35

you have no idea what it did to them so make a list of all these people then take them one

00:57:40

of the time and close your eyes and see if you can feel a willingness in your heart to look each

00:57:45

one right in the eye and say to them I have been wrong and I've harmed you would you please tell

00:57:51

me what I have to do so we can get these books to balance and as I went over that list that night

00:57:58

I had the experience I've looked for my whole life I was lifted from my chair and set free

00:58:08

but I've been free ever since and I stay free because if I have caused anyone here any harm whatsoever

00:58:16

you come see me we'll get the books to balance now what you have to do after you say that is

00:58:23

shut up and listen while I tell you what you have to do and that made it possible for me to go to my

00:58:29

mother that was a problem to me how can you apologize to the mother that you put in a position on

00:58:34

Christmas day to say you and your kids can't come to my house there's no way but I can ask what

00:58:41

you'll have to do and I found a way to ask her months after I got out she let me come by very

00:58:46

reluctantly and I'm very careful with people and I asked her and I shut up and listened and she said

00:58:52

honey all I've ever wondered for you is that you will be happy for the past 24 some years I've

00:58:59

been going by my mom's house on a regular basis happy and it worked oh we have a wonderful time

00:59:11

wonderful time she said it was six years before she believed anything I said

00:59:16

well I have no right to think she would ever believe me again ever I just go by don't have time to

00:59:25

tell you about the two dollar bills I've stopped telling it and they're still coming catch me

00:59:31

afterwards you want to know about the two dollar bills because I got a couple other things that

00:59:35

have happened when I'm running out of time the business of my father when I went to my dad to

00:59:40

make a man's I had the list and I started out like I've been taught who I am what I am my life's

00:59:47

at stake here's what I did I lied to you stolen from you cheated you and he saw the list and he

00:59:53

said stop please I know all that all you can do by going into the details is hurt me all over

01:00:00

again you know I'm gonna have to start from here and so we did and I had one of those serendipitous

01:00:09

about a month and a half ago see there are a lot of things I didn't get from my dad but I needed

01:00:14

when I was five and six it's not uncommon the hell did they know they're just people

01:00:21

and the things I didn't get from my dad I'm never gonna get because I can't get them from him

01:00:27

and God has spilled all those holes and I don't need that anymore it's wonderful it means he and

01:00:31

I have a good relationship because I don't need that anymore and my wife had come down to visit me I'm

01:00:36

down in North Carolina because one of God's messengers came by and asked me to come and when they show up

01:00:41

I go one of the things I've learned to do in Alcoholics Anonymous is listen for my messengers

01:00:49

and when they come I pay attention but my family is still in Colorado and I miss them

01:00:55

but it right now this is the way it's to be but any moment why should come down to visit me

01:01:01

she gets horny without me she can't help it don't you tell her I said dad

01:01:11

and I had called my dad and we were visiting because I do that regular they're in their 80s

01:01:18

and you know each day's a gamble see you call him and he and I were visiting and

01:01:25

he gave me this wonderful gift he said Jack he just came by yesterday and she was telling

01:01:33

us how proud she is of you down there and then he said you know Don I'm proud of you too

01:01:48

it's extra good because you don't need it and I think you did it to get back at me because I got

01:01:55

him about five months ago I have three heroes left on this planet I'm working for one of them

01:02:04

my dad's a second and I won't tell you who the third one is my dad's never been a demonstrative man

01:02:11

he came out of a generation where you had to plant close to the chest but he has this long

01:02:18

office that he works in it's just wide enough for one person got some benches in his law

01:02:22

and I kind of backed him into that one day where he couldn't get out he can't move that fast anymore

01:02:29

and I put my arms around him and I said pop I'm gonna tell you something

01:02:33

I have three heroes left and you're one of them that's so he'll double cried the damage I did to

01:02:49

my brother took a long time to heal see I damaged our name my brother and I ran the same circles

01:02:59

he played in the bands and I sold the band players in marijuana I did dirt to our name

01:03:07

and I hurt our parents and he hated me for that and over the years he's been very very reticent

01:03:16

very standoffish I was 21 years sober when he invited me to his birthday party and it was guarded

01:03:24

22 years sober he had my wife an hour for dinner and after dinner he said I don't know if you and

01:03:30

I'll ever be friends but this was nice tonight we can do this again and I've done nothing over

01:03:36

the years except just stay busy making my life my life not trying to do anything but when I was home

01:03:46

I got just about three months ago I was in visiting with the folks that's what I do you know

01:03:52

I visit and my brother came in I was sitting with my foot crossed over my leg and he sat down

01:03:59

across with me giving me this funny look and he kicked me on the bottom of the shoe and he said

01:04:05

I'm really glad to see you the next time you're in town why don't you and I go up to the cabin

01:04:12

and go fishing just the two others we got a little cabin up in our country well you can believe

01:04:17

next time I was in town we did we stomped through beaver ponds never caught a fish got all muddy and

01:04:23

cold went back to the cabin visited played cribbage that poor baby she cribbage is an

01:04:30

institution game I walked in three out of four games and then he gave me a precious precious gift

01:04:42

he gave me his inner core my brother said to me don I'm 58 years old now and I believe I have

01:04:51

made a decent contribution to life that's what this is about all I do is get busy with God's kids

01:05:07

and I get these things back since I have been sober for 26 years I have walked with a sense of the

01:05:16

presence of God and I don't always get to feel it because I abused my feelings and I don't always

01:05:22

get that but I've had this constant sense of his presence about a month and a half ago I've been

01:05:28

I've been doing some extensive step work if you go house cleaning to continue growing

01:05:35

and I woke up one morning and it wasn't there it was six o'clock in the morning it wasn't there

01:05:42

I can't say I was frightened it was just awful so I began to pray immediately which of course made

01:05:48

a lie I would not be in there and my prayer was simple I said please let me know that you're

01:05:56

present I need to be closer to you and I need to know you better and my phone rang six o'clock

01:06:03

in the morning there's old Billy he said I was seven years sober down and I drank again

01:06:12

and I have a friend up here 12 years sober that drank again and I do these little big book

01:06:17

workshops where we sit down and over a period of time we just read everything in the big book and

01:06:22

do what it says together and I'd done that for some kids in his group and they are on fire

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and they're just 12 step in the hill out of North Carolina and he wanted to know if I would

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gather with him and his friend at his beach house over the weekend and show them what they were

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missing and I of course and I hung up and started addressing the phone rang and if somebody else

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asking for help when I started to get dressed in the phone rang and the phone kept ringing

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all the way till I got out the door and when I got to work it was ringing and about 10 o'clock

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the message was clear to me God was saying to me directly if you would know me better get to

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know my children better do you want to be closer to me be closer to my kids that's why I'm here with

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you I want to visit oh I have so much I want to share with you almost two years ago I once again

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had to face my own mortality it came real close this time it was a bit she's still uncomfortable

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but I'm all right but I got to take a look at the fact I'm not going to be here that much longer

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so I want everything to be current and I've gone back and checked my life and except for the

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I still haven't paid my rent this month you know those kind of things I can stand before you tonight

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with the greatest news of all the greatest promise that I could offer you I will never have to stand

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at a gravesite ever and say I wish I'd have told this person this I'll never have to do that

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as far as I know I'm current with y'all

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I'm current with everybody if nothing else ever happens that's good that's good and I wish

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in my heart of hearts that I can truly thank God for that but the whole idea of God is just too big

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for me and it's getting bigger so you know what he's done in his mercy he's giving me you

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because I can look you right in the eye and I can say to you thank you for your lives in mind